Three months. You put an athletic person with no prior martial experience in my White Belt class-- one hour a night, three nights a week-- for three months, and I guarantee you they will beat the shit out of pretty much anyone else with no prior martial experience. My kids and White Belts took eight medals at Grapplers’ Quest: Beast of the East 4, on the 7th. None of them has more than a year’s training under his belt.
What?! Hahahhaha. Look dude, you are seriously deluded. Try rolling with a couple of athletic guys outside of gym. It’s not like rolling in the gym, where everyone is compliantly relaxed and trying to do technique. Taking them down is very difficult and once you are on the ground a lot of finesse goes out the window. Strength and endurnce become really important. At the three months mark, I think your students are better off not using anything you tught them and just windmilling with punches. Only if a sub is right there should they take it. If they end up in guard, they’ll be helpless.
Yeah, I know at the three months mark I thought I could beat anybody despite being tapped out several times a practice. Thinking back to the stupidity of those days makes me wanna cry.
“My kids and White Belts took eight medals at Grapplers’ Quest: Beast of the East 4” ~ Kung Fu Joe
Seriously Grappler, HAVE YOU EVEN TRAINED OR COMPETED BEFORE?
When people compete, they’re trying their all to win, not to be “compliantly relaxed and trying to do technique” as you put it. I wouldn’t even say that people would be compliantly relaxed in rolling unless they completely outclass you, which they probably do, inferring from your posts (that is if you even train).
Strength and endurance matter even more in competition because PEOPLE KNOW THE TECHNIQUES YOU’RE TRYING AND THEY KNOW EFFECTIVE WAYS TO STOP THEM.
Have you ever grappled with your buddies outside the gym? Ever? It’s different from the dojo or the competition. They are not trying to be technical, they are just trying to survive. The biggest fits were always given to me by very athletic complete beginners outweighing me by 40-50lbs who just had strong survival instincts. It was really disappointing when I either couldn’t tap them out despite a difference in experience, or could but it would take me way more effort then I thought it should.
That said, I’m at a different level now than when I was last dealing with these “athletic survivors”.
It’s different from the dojo or the competition. They are not trying to be technical, they are just trying to survive.
survive?
they’re usually really angry and out to hurt you.
The biggest fits were always given to me by very athletic complete beginners outweighing me by 40-50lbs who just had strong survival instincts.
Noob spasms are a wellknown phenomena.
and whats with you and ’ surviving?’ you must be a small, nervous person.
It was really disappointing when I either couldn’t tap them out despite a difference in experience, or could but it would take me way more effort then I thought it should.
Oh well.
That said, I’m at a different level now than when I was last dealing with these “athletic survivors”.
Can that be developed in 3 months? Their timing will be better.
Can they beat someone on the streets? The person training even 3 months has a significant advantage because, depending on the art, they’ve trained under pressure. Thinking and performing under duress is key.
Even at 3 months, they’ve been under more physical pressure than most other people will have been in years of just living without training. Think about your sibling/mother/father/friend who doesn’t train and how many times they are in a high-adrenaline situation.
In short, there is no real answer unless we have the first annual BullShido Random-person-on-the-street Throwdown where unsuspecting people are instigated into a fight. To do this, I suggest we lure them with cake.
Grappler is terrible. The last time I wrestled with non training buddies who outweighed me by 50-60 pounds and had large strength advantages I dislocated ones shoulder and put another buddy to sleep. I was a little drunk and they didn’t know to tap. I never wrestle with people who don’t train now. It is way too easy to hurt them if you are even close to competent.
[quote=Uncle Skippy;2081484]That is why it is called “going Dutch”. The Dutch are all about equality and equal time.
If Grappler gets 5 minutes, then Lebell gets 5 minutes of sexy time too.[/quote]
Yesh, and Grappler, it has nothing to do with my sexual preferences, you are being insensitive to my culture and my heritage.
Touching another mans penis and slowly play with it or even jacking it off (the highest honour, usually for warheroes only) is a protocol, nothing more nothing less then that.
Thats why i posted YOU’RE AWESOME can i touch your penis?
It was a compliment.
[quote=Lebell;2081494]Yesh, and Grappler, it has nothing to do with my sexual preferences, you are being insensitive to my culture and my heritage.
Touching another mans penis and slowly play with it or even jacking it off (the highest honour, usually for warheroes only) is a protocol, nothing more nothing less then that.
Thats why i posted YOU’RE AWESOME can i touch your penis?
It was a compliment.[/quote]
Note to self;
Do not do anything to impress or ingratiate Lebell,
