the pot calls the kettle black

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as usual, the idiots who mostly populate this web site have nothing but scorn to offer. Assuming that the information in the article is true, this girl is an exceptional martial artist FOR HER AGE and probably worked very hard to become so. Here are the things you people should consider before you down on her:

  1. Most Karate Dojos have two systems of belt ranking: one for the kids and one for the adults. You cannot judge the kids by the same yardstick as the adults because they simply are not capable of as much. They simply do not have the same body control and they cannot handle the same abuse. For instance, everyone knows that children are not supposed to toughen their hands on a makiwara because they will deform the hand bones, which are softer in children. Her belt had a stripe through it, which means it was a junior belt, which does NOT take as long to get, and therefore does NOT carry the same respect as a senior black belt.

  2. Having four junior black belts is possible for someone her age, although it would require an extreme amount of commitment. Still, her father is an instructor so she has probably been doing karate since she was old enough to walk and talk. The article says she is 11, so if she started at the age of 6 (totally possible) and studied all four styles at once (also possible), that would mean she worked 5 years for each belt. Even if she got the belts at the age of ten, that still means four years…and she could have started at age 5 because that is not uncommon either.

  3. Having four JUNIOR black belts doesn’t require quite as much work when they are all similar styles. Shotokan, Shorin-ryu, and Goju-ryu are all similar. Of course there are differences, but they are mainly differences of emphasis, and they have more in common than they have at variance.

  4. Her form was not that bad. She has obviously won a few tournaments with her form (again, according to the article) so it must not be that bad.

  5. Her father had outside teachers come in to do her black belt test. That doesn’t sound like family favoritism to me.

  6. This girl is obviously being groomed to take over her father’s school. Therefore she has had much more training than your average karate student of her age. This is a special case.

I hope this girl whoops all your asses one day. Stupid MMA fanboys always talking shit about people they don’t even know anything about. Stick to your mounting and humping and leave the martial arts to those who aren’t too brain-dead to understand them.

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Troll fail fails troll

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[QUOTE=Iconoclast;2549815]I have my head up my ass.[/QUOTE]

Thier, I fixed that for you.

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[QUOTE=Iconoclast;2549815]4. Her form was not that bad. She has obviously won a few tournaments with her form (again, according to the article) so it must not be that bad.
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Actually, compared to the children that compete at nationals in kata here in Belgium (and considering Belgium is not a top country in karate, I’d imagine the level in the top countries is even higher) I would say her form is bad. At 1min48, she still rises between movements. That’s a basic mistake that should be gone long before attaining any blackbelt, regardless of age. You don’t even see that misake in competition kata anymore done by 8-9 year olds.

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[QUOTE=Iconoclast;2549815]
5. Her father had outside teachers come in to do her black belt test. That doesn’t sound like family favoritism to me.[/quote]

Yeah, because the outside teachers aren’t friends of his. One would have to have massive balls to be standing in someone else’s dojo, grading their kid and say “nah, she ain’t good enough.”

Stupid MMA fanboys always talking shit about people they don’t even know anything about.

So you do know these people? Or are you just talking shit too?

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Style: Wing Chun / Ninjutsu
This must be a troll.

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the pot calls the kettle black

It’s funny…after being out of the martial arts scene for awhile, I decided to get back into it again, and the first thing I wanted to do was a thorough investigation into this thing known as MMA. The thought had occurred to me that maybe I should try to compete a little in it, since I love to fight and haven’t participated in a tournament in some time. After evaluating the sport, I have come to a number of conclusions, but here is the main one:

IT IS FAKE.

To explain this position, I will go over the evidence one piece at a time.

  1. There are numerous fights where you can PLAINLY SEE the fighters taking a dive. There is a video online called “proof mma is fake” which compiles a few of the more obvious cases. You can plainly see people acting like they got hit when they clearly didn’t. Here is the addy:
    //youtu.be/G9dT0wZHYjU

there is another one called “mma is fake (proof)” found here:

//youtu.be/8FRvAKdhxhQ

both of these videos have some opinion and fluff to them but if you watch the footage it’s plain that these were in fact worked fights. A GREAT many people think that Griffin vs Silva was fixed at the very least.

  1. UFC authorities and fighters ADMIT that worked fights have taken place in their organzation…they just deny that they had any knowledge of it. However, to admit it they must have had at least some knowledge of it, even if it was after the fact. They released a statement, which can be found here:

here’s a statement by Guy Mezger, in which he basically admits that PRIDE was staged and that he was persecuted for not taking a dive against Sakuraba:
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2008/6/11/550357/guy-mezger-on-pride-and-wo

Seth Petruzelli admitted he was told to take a dive against Kimbo Slice in their fight:
http://www.mmafighting.com/2008/10/06/seth-petruzelli-on-elitexc-they-didnt-want-me-to-take-kimbo-s/

SHerdog has a great thread where they discuss worked fights in much greater length than I have time to. Here is the link: http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f44/fixed-fights-mma-973415/

Even among MMA fans, the following fights are generally agreed to have been fixed:
-Oleg Taktarov vs Anthony Macias (UFC 6)- Macias admitted it and said he was blackmailed.
-Forrest Griffin vs Anderson Silva (griffin was knocked out by a punch that barely touched him)
-Kimo vs. Sakuraba: Sakuraba basically admitted this one was fake.
-Branko Cikatic vs. Maurice Smith- Cikatic admitted it.
-Matt Serra vs. Georges St. Pierre #1
-Ken Shamrock vs. Rich Franklin: you can plainly see Shamrock go down from a punch that never hit him.
-Any of Nobuhiko Takada’s fights- many of his opponents have come forward about this, including former UFC champ Mark Coleman.

I don’t even have TIME to go into every single piece of evidence where MMA fighters have said they were asked to take a dive, or that they participated in a worked fight. The MMA industry gets rich by making these people look bad, then they go and spill the beans. If there were just one or a few instances, it would not be as damning, but the sheer weight of the evidence leaves no doubt.

  1. MMA guys wear very thin gloves compared to boxers, yet they do not take or give the kind of damage that boxers do. They get a little cut once in awhile, but that is easily faked (again, look at pro wrestling). Back when boxers wore thinner gloves that were still thicker than those MMA gloves, people would occasionally die in the ring. These are all well-built athletes and (supposedly) trained martial artists as well…so how come the results are so different? Plus, I see too many Knockouts where the guy immediately gets right back up and walks out of the ring. I have only seen one real KO in MMA, and it was obviously a shoot. Watch this to see what happens when they actually get pissed off and TRY to punch as hard as they can:

//youtu.be/h0m8bebUGq4

oh yeah, and if it were real, people WOULD get beat to death occasionally because those MMA gloves have almost no padding on the hammerfist area and people use those q
gloves
gracies
4. There are some disturbing parallels between MMA and Pro Wrestling.
-many people cross over and do both (Ken Shamrock, Kazushi Sakuraba, Brock Lesnar, and others) seamlessly.
-giving title shots based on popularity and not on merit
-shameless commercialism
and in the future we will probably have to add this one:
-not admitting that it’s fake until forced by popular demand.

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Hmmmm, let’s see. Noob, and his first post is this bullshit. Either a troll or it’s her daddy and he’s going to come and kick all of our asses.

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the pot calls the kettle black…

It’s funny…after being out of the martial arts scene for awhile, I decided to get back into it again, and the first thing I wanted to do was a thorough investigation into this thing known as MMA. The thought had occurred to me that maybe I should try to compete a little in it, since I love to fight and haven’t participated in a tournament in some time. After evaluating the sport, I have come to a number of conclusions, but here is the main one:

IT IS FAKE.

To explain this position, I will go over the evidence one piece at a time.

  1. There are numerous fights where you can PLAINLY SEE the fighters taking a dive. There is a video online called “proof mma is fake” which compiles a few of the more obvious cases. You can plainly see people acting like they got hit when they clearly didn’t. Here is the addy:
    //youtu.be/G9dT0wZHYjU

there is another one called “mma is fake (proof)” found here:

//youtu.be/8FRvAKdhxhQ

both of these videos have some opinion and fluff to them but if you watch the footage it’s plain that these were in fact worked fights. A GREAT many people think that Griffin vs Silva was fixed at the very least.

  1. MANY UFC fighters have ADMITTED that they participated in RIGGED fights…and mostly, they say the people in charge knew about it.

here’s a statement by Guy Mezger, in which he basically admits that PRIDE was staged and that he was persecuted for not taking a dive against Sakuraba:
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2008/6/11/550357/guy-mezger-on-pride-and-wo

Seth Petruzelli admitted he was told to take a dive against Kimbo Slice in their fight:
http://www.mmafighting.com/2008/10/06/seth-petruzelli-on-elitexc-they-didnt-want-me-to-take-kimbo-s/

SHerdog has a great thread where they discuss worked fights in much greater length than I have time to. Here is the link: http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f44/fixed-fights-mma-973415/

Even among MMA fans, the following fights are generally agreed to have been fixed:
-Oleg Taktarov vs Anthony Macias (UFC 6)- Macias admitted it and said he was blackmailed.
-Forrest Griffin vs Anderson Silva (griffin was knocked out by a punch that barely touched him)
-Kimo vs. Sakuraba: Sakuraba basically admitted this one was fake.
-Branko Cikatic vs. Maurice Smith- Cikatic admitted it.
-Matt Serra vs. Georges St. Pierre #1
-Ken Shamrock vs. Rich Franklin: you can plainly see Shamrock go down from a punch that never hit him.
-Any of Nobuhiko Takada’s fights- many of his opponents have come forward about this, including former UFC champ Mark Coleman.

just watch any of these fights. That’s all the proof anyone should need.

I don’t even have TIME to go into every single piece of evidence where MMA fighters have said they were asked to take a dive, or that they participated in a worked fight. The MMA industry gets rich by making these people look bad, then they go and spill the beans. If there were just one or a few instances, it would not be as damning, but the sheer weight of the evidence leaves no doubt.

  1. MMA guys wear very thin gloves compared to boxers, yet they do not take or give the kind of damage that boxers do. They get a little cut once in awhile, but that is easily faked (again, look at pro wrestling). Back when boxers wore thinner gloves that were still thicker than those MMA gloves, people would occasionally die in the ring. These are all well-built athletes and (supposedly) trained martial artists as well…so how come the results are so different? Plus, I see too many Knockouts where the guy immediately gets right back up and walks out of the ring. I have only seen one real KO in MMA, and it was obviously a shoot. Watch this to see what happens when they actually get pissed off and TRY to punch as hard as they can:

//youtu.be/h0m8bebUGq4

oh yeah, and if it were real, people WOULD get beat to death occasionally because those MMA gloves have almost no padding on the hammerfist area and people use those quite a bit.

  1. If it’s real, can someone please explain to me why Royce Gracie seemed like an unbeatable badass during the early days of the UFC…when his family was still running the show…but once the gracies sold their part of the company Royce suddenly went from being the ultimate fighter to being a mediocre and one-dimensional fighter who loses quite regularly. He has barely fought at all in the UFC since that happened. He was ONLY a dominant fighter when his family was in charge. The Gracies admit that they set up the UFC to promote BJJ, and now every BJJ practitioner tries to use its results to justify their arrogant attitude towards all other styles of martial arts. All I do is laugh at them.

  2. There are some disturbing parallels between MMA and Pro Wrestling.
    -many people cross over and do both (Ken Shamrock, Kazushi Sakuraba, Brock Lesnar, and others) seamlessly.
    -giving title shots based on popularity and not on merit
    -shameless commercialism
    and in the future we will probably have to add this one:
    -not admitting that it’s fake until forced by popular demand.

and yes, I have trained at an MMA school before…so you can save the whole “why don’t you train MMA and see if it’s fake” argument, because I already did that and I was not very impressed. The striking was substandard and the grappling stuff was ok but too sport-oriented. Defensive skills were highly deficient and footwork was complete garbage. Traditional MA can have its problems too but I’ll take the time-honored traditional methods which have endured for centuries before your gay little sport came along.

You people love to call everyone else fake…especially people like me who practice reality-oriented styles such as Wing Chun and Ninjutsu…but we can PROVE you assholes are fake! You might think our training methods are bad, but at least we don’t put on fake fights! Even if it weren’t fake, We wouldn’t do MMA, because most of what we do would be illegal, or made ineffective by the rules (for example, you can’t really target pressure points when wearing gloves), not because we have a bloated opinion of ourselves or our arts.

Peace out, all you groin-hugging MMA fanboys. Flame all you like. No matter how much you don’t want to admit it, you have been SERVED and your whole sport is a JOKE! In ten years everyone will be laughing at you just like they now laugh at your counterparts in the pro wrestling industry.

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[QUOTE=Iconoclast;2549815]as usual, the idiots who mostly populate this web site have nothing but scorn to offer.[/QUOTE]

I offer you scorn and I’m not even an idiot…really! Even non idiots offer you scorn. Lots of it. As usual, you get lots of scorn. Idiots and non idiots alike give you scorn. You are a great scorn collector. I bet your scorn collection abilities expand well beyond the realm of this web site. I scorn you from Texas and when I’m in Mexico I will scorn you. You are one international scorn collecting son of a bitch. I’m providing you extra scorn because you are just one scorned asshole who really deserves the extra scorn. Please have this extra scorn.

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[QUOTE=Iconoclast;2549815]1. Most Karate Dojos have two systems of belt ranking: one for the kids and one for the adults. You cannot judge the kids by the same yardstick as the adults because they simply are not capable of as much.[/QUOTE]

I’m still putting my money on a large, 14 year old white belt to smash that little girl into oblivion with one punch or kick.
That’s right. The big person smashes the little person. What is that black belt worth? It’s worth as much as the useless piece of shit dojo it came from, that’s what.

Any karate system that promotes ‘black belts’ without having to actually test their ability (hard sparring, if not full-contact) is worth as much as an unflushed turd.

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Hi troll. I made visible and moved your thread to the forum where it belongs. I know some of our members would derive a little enjoyment conversing with you if you decide to stick around.

By the way, it is well known that many Pride and some UFC fights were fixed.

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[QUOTE=Iconoclast;2549850]It’s funny…after being out of the martial arts scene for awhile, I decided to get back into it again, and the first thing I wanted to do was a thorough investigation into this thing known as MMA. The thought had occurred to me that maybe I should try to compete a little in it, since I love to fight and haven’t participated in a tournament in some time. After evaluating the sport, I have come to a number of conclusions, but here is the main one:

IT IS FAKE.

To explain this position, I will go over the evidence one piece at a time.

  1. There are numerous fights where you can PLAINLY SEE the fighters taking a dive. There is a video online called “proof mma is fake” which compiles a few of the more obvious cases. You can plainly see people acting like they got hit when they clearly didn’t. Here is the addy:
    //youtu.be/G9dT0wZHYjU

there is another one called “mma is fake (proof)” found here:

//youtu.be/8FRvAKdhxhQ

both of these videos have some opinion and fluff to them but if you watch the footage it’s plain that these were in fact worked fights. A GREAT many people think that Griffin vs Silva was fixed at the very least.

  1. MANY UFC fighters have ADMITTED that they participated in RIGGED fights…and mostly, they say the people in charge knew about it.

here’s a statement by Guy Mezger, in which he basically admits that PRIDE was staged and that he was persecuted for not taking a dive against Sakuraba:
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2008/6/11/550357/guy-mezger-on-pride-and-wo

Seth Petruzelli admitted he was told to take a dive against Kimbo Slice in their fight:
http://www.mmafighting.com/2008/10/06/seth-petruzelli-on-elitexc-they-didnt-want-me-to-take-kimbo-s/

SHerdog has a great thread where they discuss worked fights in much greater length than I have time to. Here is the link: http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f44/fixed-fights-mma-973415/

Even among MMA fans, the following fights are generally agreed to have been fixed:
-Oleg Taktarov vs Anthony Macias (UFC 6)- Macias admitted it and said he was blackmailed.
-Forrest Griffin vs Anderson Silva (griffin was knocked out by a punch that barely touched him)
-Kimo vs. Sakuraba: Sakuraba basically admitted this one was fake.
-Branko Cikatic vs. Maurice Smith- Cikatic admitted it.
-Matt Serra vs. Georges St. Pierre #1
-Ken Shamrock vs. Rich Franklin: you can plainly see Shamrock go down from a punch that never hit him.
-Any of Nobuhiko Takada’s fights- many of his opponents have come forward about this, including former UFC champ Mark Coleman.

just watch any of these fights. That’s all the proof anyone should need.

I don’t even have TIME to go into every single piece of evidence where MMA fighters have said they were asked to take a dive, or that they participated in a worked fight. The MMA industry gets rich by making these people look bad, then they go and spill the beans. If there were just one or a few instances, it would not be as damning, but the sheer weight of the evidence leaves no doubt.

  1. MMA guys wear very thin gloves compared to boxers, yet they do not take or give the kind of damage that boxers do. They get a little cut once in awhile, but that is easily faked (again, look at pro wrestling). Back when boxers wore thinner gloves that were still thicker than those MMA gloves, people would occasionally die in the ring. These are all well-built athletes and (supposedly) trained martial artists as well…so how come the results are so different? Plus, I see too many Knockouts where the guy immediately gets right back up and walks out of the ring. I have only seen one real KO in MMA, and it was obviously a shoot. Watch this to see what happens when they actually get pissed off and TRY to punch as hard as they can:

//youtu.be/h0m8bebUGq4

oh yeah, and if it were real, people WOULD get beat to death occasionally because those MMA gloves have almost no padding on the hammerfist area and people use those quite a bit.

  1. If it’s real, can someone please explain to me why Royce Gracie seemed like an unbeatable badass during the early days of the UFC…when his family was still running the show…but once the gracies sold their part of the company Royce suddenly went from being the ultimate fighter to being a mediocre and one-dimensional fighter who loses quite regularly. He has barely fought at all in the UFC since that happened. He was ONLY a dominant fighter when his family was in charge. The Gracies admit that they set up the UFC to promote BJJ, and now every BJJ practitioner tries to use its results to justify their arrogant attitude towards all other styles of martial arts. All I do is laugh at them.

  2. There are some disturbing parallels between MMA and Pro Wrestling.
    -many people cross over and do both (Ken Shamrock, Kazushi Sakuraba, Brock Lesnar, and others) seamlessly.
    -giving title shots based on popularity and not on merit
    -shameless commercialism
    and in the future we will probably have to add this one:
    -not admitting that it’s fake until forced by popular demand.

and yes, I have trained at an MMA school before…so you can save the whole “why don’t you train MMA and see if it’s fake” argument, because I already did that and I was not very impressed. The striking was substandard and the grappling stuff was ok but too sport-oriented. Defensive skills were highly deficient and footwork was complete garbage. Traditional MA can have its problems too but I’ll take the time-honored traditional methods which have endured for centuries before your gay little sport came along.

You people love to call everyone else fake…especially people like me who practice reality-oriented styles such as Wing Chun and Ninjutsu…but we can PROVE you assholes are fake! You might think our training methods are bad, but at least we don’t put on fake fights! Even if it weren’t fake, We wouldn’t do MMA, because most of what we do would be illegal, or made ineffective by the rules (for example, you can’t really target pressure points when wearing gloves), not because we have a bloated opinion of ourselves or our arts.

Peace out, all you groin-hugging MMA fanboys. Flame all you like. No matter how much you don’t want to admit it, you have been SERVED and your whole sport is a JOKE! In ten years everyone will be laughing at you just like they now laugh at your counterparts in the pro wrestling industry.[/QUOTE]People have died and we are 20 years past the “just a fad” “it is all fixed” phase. Please troll harder.

Please thank jnp because, I saw your post and left it moderated.

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Damn! This thread was almost interesting. Conspiracy theory forum next time maybe? and lay the crazy on nice and easy you can’t just put it out there all at once and see if people bite. I’m surprised to learn that Pride and UFC acknowledge that it has happened. Not that they were able to do anything about it. Maybe you could quote and link some sources and post a vid of the fight and turn this into a legit conspiracy discussion? Rather than say the whole UFC is against us and the gloves prove everything.

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Wow. Quite the rant there. Your entire spiel was a worked match. Fixed to fail.

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[QUOTE=doofaloofa;2549959]chill out lads
cant we all just get along?[/QUOTE]

I hope not.

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[QUOTE=doofaloofa;2549959]chill out lads
cant we all just get along?[/QUOTE]
If anyone tries to give me a hug, I’ll wound their inner child.

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well at least “MMA fanboys” as you call them are brave fighters who are willing to step in the ring and test them self by fight to the bloody end against any opponent willing to do the same. I bet you and your wing chun ninjutsu stuff never do that. I don’t even do cage fighting stuff but i see those guys and respect what they do.

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The belt just holds your Gi shut