[QUOTE=Iconoclast;2549850]It’s funny…after being out of the martial arts scene for awhile, I decided to get back into it again, and the first thing I wanted to do was a thorough investigation into this thing known as MMA. The thought had occurred to me that maybe I should try to compete a little in it, since I love to fight and haven’t participated in a tournament in some time. After evaluating the sport, I have come to a number of conclusions, but here is the main one:
IT IS FAKE.
To explain this position, I will go over the evidence one piece at a time.
- There are numerous fights where you can PLAINLY SEE the fighters taking a dive. There is a video online called “proof mma is fake” which compiles a few of the more obvious cases. You can plainly see people acting like they got hit when they clearly didn’t. Here is the addy:
//youtu.be/G9dT0wZHYjU
there is another one called “mma is fake (proof)” found here:
//youtu.be/8FRvAKdhxhQ
both of these videos have some opinion and fluff to them but if you watch the footage it’s plain that these were in fact worked fights. A GREAT many people think that Griffin vs Silva was fixed at the very least.
- MANY UFC fighters have ADMITTED that they participated in RIGGED fights…and mostly, they say the people in charge knew about it.
here’s a statement by Guy Mezger, in which he basically admits that PRIDE was staged and that he was persecuted for not taking a dive against Sakuraba:
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2008/6/11/550357/guy-mezger-on-pride-and-wo
Seth Petruzelli admitted he was told to take a dive against Kimbo Slice in their fight:
http://www.mmafighting.com/2008/10/06/seth-petruzelli-on-elitexc-they-didnt-want-me-to-take-kimbo-s/
SHerdog has a great thread where they discuss worked fights in much greater length than I have time to. Here is the link: http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f44/fixed-fights-mma-973415/
Even among MMA fans, the following fights are generally agreed to have been fixed:
-Oleg Taktarov vs Anthony Macias (UFC 6)- Macias admitted it and said he was blackmailed.
-Forrest Griffin vs Anderson Silva (griffin was knocked out by a punch that barely touched him)
-Kimo vs. Sakuraba: Sakuraba basically admitted this one was fake.
-Branko Cikatic vs. Maurice Smith- Cikatic admitted it.
-Matt Serra vs. Georges St. Pierre #1
-Ken Shamrock vs. Rich Franklin: you can plainly see Shamrock go down from a punch that never hit him.
-Any of Nobuhiko Takada’s fights- many of his opponents have come forward about this, including former UFC champ Mark Coleman.
just watch any of these fights. That’s all the proof anyone should need.
I don’t even have TIME to go into every single piece of evidence where MMA fighters have said they were asked to take a dive, or that they participated in a worked fight. The MMA industry gets rich by making these people look bad, then they go and spill the beans. If there were just one or a few instances, it would not be as damning, but the sheer weight of the evidence leaves no doubt.
- MMA guys wear very thin gloves compared to boxers, yet they do not take or give the kind of damage that boxers do. They get a little cut once in awhile, but that is easily faked (again, look at pro wrestling). Back when boxers wore thinner gloves that were still thicker than those MMA gloves, people would occasionally die in the ring. These are all well-built athletes and (supposedly) trained martial artists as well…so how come the results are so different? Plus, I see too many Knockouts where the guy immediately gets right back up and walks out of the ring. I have only seen one real KO in MMA, and it was obviously a shoot. Watch this to see what happens when they actually get pissed off and TRY to punch as hard as they can:
//youtu.be/h0m8bebUGq4
oh yeah, and if it were real, people WOULD get beat to death occasionally because those MMA gloves have almost no padding on the hammerfist area and people use those quite a bit.
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If it’s real, can someone please explain to me why Royce Gracie seemed like an unbeatable badass during the early days of the UFC…when his family was still running the show…but once the gracies sold their part of the company Royce suddenly went from being the ultimate fighter to being a mediocre and one-dimensional fighter who loses quite regularly. He has barely fought at all in the UFC since that happened. He was ONLY a dominant fighter when his family was in charge. The Gracies admit that they set up the UFC to promote BJJ, and now every BJJ practitioner tries to use its results to justify their arrogant attitude towards all other styles of martial arts. All I do is laugh at them.
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There are some disturbing parallels between MMA and Pro Wrestling.
-many people cross over and do both (Ken Shamrock, Kazushi Sakuraba, Brock Lesnar, and others) seamlessly.
-giving title shots based on popularity and not on merit
-shameless commercialism
and in the future we will probably have to add this one:
-not admitting that it’s fake until forced by popular demand.
and yes, I have trained at an MMA school before…so you can save the whole “why don’t you train MMA and see if it’s fake” argument, because I already did that and I was not very impressed. The striking was substandard and the grappling stuff was ok but too sport-oriented. Defensive skills were highly deficient and footwork was complete garbage. Traditional MA can have its problems too but I’ll take the time-honored traditional methods which have endured for centuries before your gay little sport came along.
You people love to call everyone else fake…especially people like me who practice reality-oriented styles such as Wing Chun and Ninjutsu…but we can PROVE you assholes are fake! You might think our training methods are bad, but at least we don’t put on fake fights! Even if it weren’t fake, We wouldn’t do MMA, because most of what we do would be illegal, or made ineffective by the rules (for example, you can’t really target pressure points when wearing gloves), not because we have a bloated opinion of ourselves or our arts.
Peace out, all you groin-hugging MMA fanboys. Flame all you like. No matter how much you don’t want to admit it, you have been SERVED and your whole sport is a JOKE! In ten years everyone will be laughing at you just like they now laugh at your counterparts in the pro wrestling industry.[/QUOTE]People have died and we are 20 years past the “just a fad” “it is all fixed” phase. Please troll harder.
Please thank jnp because, I saw your post and left it moderated.