This is from the thread about hand conditioning and IP ( Iron Palm).
Why my interest when I am already a "trained MA " ?
Why my interested when I have already been exposed to “actual fighting systems” ?
Simple.
In the MA there are legends, and like everywhere else, legends are there for a reason, exsist for a reason.
Oyama ( the God Hand)
Wong fei Hung ( the shadowless kick)
Chen Fake ( fa jing baby !)
To name only 3.
The Iron palm is something I have heard about, but never truly seen.
Sure I have seen impressive feats, but I have also done them.
The IP is more, I have been told and I wanna see for myself.
What kind of MA would I (we) be if I didn’t find things out for myself ?
A crappy one.
So yes, I wanna see for myself, what is the IP and how does it work? and how well does it work ?
Is it too deadly for the “real world” ( I find that hard to believe its deadlier than a kife or gun so , no, it can’t be).
This isn’t just about the IP, no, this is about doing what we can to be better MA, to take our MA to the next level.
And if IP can help me do that, I wanna know the truth.
great post. i had a friend who did iron palm, but his sensie called it “japanese” iron palm. so i don’t know if it was the same as what your posting about.
I’ve witnessed him break 3 stone slabs with his palm. No seperators inbetween and I tested them to make sure it wasn’t like “trick concrete” or something. From what I can tell there is no trick to learning Iron Palm since all he does to train students for it is a hell of a lot of hand conditioning with Chinese medicine applied afterwards. (Dale and JFS can speak loads more on this)
As to practicality, I think it’s a practical bonus to one’s combat skill more than anything else. In no ways is IP necessary or will it make one unstoppable. It’s more icing on the cake as it allows one to maybe hit harder while worrying less about breaking their hand. It won’t let you blow down walls to escape from jail or anything like that.
Any info would be great.
Don’t care about lineage and all that, just wanted to try to understand the why’s and whatnot’s of the IP.
How long it takes.
How effective is it in actual combat.
Do you need to “cultivate chi” before youcan use it.
Can anyone learn/develop it.
Etc…
I have seen Sifu Rosen and his senior students perform Iron Palm techniques.
Of course, I’ve also seen him dressed as a clown…
Suppose I should say more too… I’ve also seen them break bricks with sledgehammers, the brick is on their stomach. You can find the same trick being performed at Ren fairs, though usually on a bed of nails. But these are for show, much like a lot of the Shaolin monks tour tricks…
Still, most sane people wouldn’t let someone break a brick with a sledgehammer on their stomach…
We know the sledgehammer thing is a trick, but a performance is a performance and they have to sell tickets yknow?
As for cultivating chi. Rosen and his associates never put a huge emphasis on chi, if any. He’s broken bricks and stuff on the go without doing any preparation so it doesn’t take “chi cultivation” as far as I believe. Before performances he normally does his whole routine of breathing and stretching. I think he does that partly for show and partly to stretch/warm up.
My HS physics teacher taught me things like the block on stomach thing and how to break cinder slabs and such - the only MA he ever had was whatever was mandatory in the Navy in about 1970.
I’m just saying if your physics teacher can pick up a brick and break it with his hands that impresses me too. I expect he probably told you he knew how they did it but he didn’t punch it into dust am I right?
Right on point … here it goes AGAIN. Sniping from peeps that have no clue wtf they are talking about.
Ronin MOD … you want to learn IP then make the Summer Muther Mega thing. I’ll take the time to teach the method held w/in my Pai … give the filled bag … give you a gallong of decent Jow for free and wish you good luck.
I regard IP as the proverbial “Hell in a hand basket” option. That’s the only way I will use it. I’m in shit deep, getting my ass handed to me, whatever, then I’m going to sacrifice all else and slam the MoFo right in the head or some other vital area. End Game and fuck the legal consequences.
I looks much like a slap only tighter, more focused and explodes through the target. I have used it real World all of one time and the guy lost a kidney that night. Felt like I hit a pile of cotton … weird sensory feedback.
No, he DID the sledgehammer thing (without nails, although he did debunk the bed of nails thing too) and several other cool things. I had a cool phyiscs teacher.
All I was doing was AGREEING it was a trick like you said. How is that a flame?
