The Battle of the Jews, and other stories

[QUOTE=BKR;2970399]So Mr. King of the Internet was shouting "fraud at you ? LOL!

Is there such a thing as a fake, Internet Rabbi?[/QUOTE]

No not really. It is something that is way to easy to check up on by interested parties. Most of the “fake” Rabbis are people who have started their own branch of Judaism, and declared themselves a Rabbi in it. Strictly speaking by US law they are entirely entitled to call themselves that, and well, they don’t lie about their lineage… So again interested parties know.

[QUOTE=Michael Tzadok;2970400]No not really. It is something that is way to easy to check up on by interested parties. Most of the “fake” Rabbis are people who have started their own branch of Judaism, and declared themselves a Rabbi in it. Strictly speaking by US law they are entirely entitled to call themselves that, and well, they don’t lie about their lineage… So again interested parties know.[/QUOTE]

I googled you as soon as you started posting. It took me a few days, but I finally found a reference to you…

[QUOTE=BKR;2970401]I googled you as soon as you started posting. It took me a few days, but I finally found a reference to you…[/QUOTE]

Way to make the good Rabbi feel obscure there BKR.

I think it took me a couple of minutes.

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[QUOTE=BKR;2970401]I googled you as soon as you started posting. It took me a few days, but I finally found a reference to you…[/QUOTE]

I had a quite a web presence for a few years, including a rather popular blog. However, as my kids got older, it started to have negative blow back on them, as I did not always advocate the “accepted” political or religious point of view. So I kinda went dark for a few years.

[QUOTE=hungryjoe;2970403]Way to make the good Rabbi feel obscure there BKR.

I think it took me a couple of minutes.

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Well considering obscurity was what I was going for when I discontinued various web activities… I was briefly happy until you said it only took a couple of minutes. Oh well.

[QUOTE=Michael Tzadok;2970404]I had a quite a web presence for a few years, including a rather popular blog. However, as my kids got older, it started to have negative blow back on them, as I did not always advocate the “accepted” political or religious point of view. So I kinda went dark for a few years.

Well considering obscurity was what I was going for when I discontinued various web activities… I was briefly happy until you said it only took a couple of minutes. Oh well.[/QUOTE]

No worries. My Google fu is fairly good + I read faster than BKR (-;

[QUOTE=hungryjoe;2970403]Way to make the good Rabbi feel obscure there BKR.

I think it took me a couple of minutes.

pulls in tongue removes thumbs from ears[/QUOTE]

Sarcasm isn’t my forte…

[QUOTE=Michael Tzadok;2970404]I had a quite a web presence for a few years, including a rather popular blog. However, as my kids got older, it started to have negative blow back on them, as I did not always advocate the “accepted” political or religious point of view. So I kinda went dark for a few years.

Well considering obscurity was what I was going for when I discontinued various web activities… I was briefly happy until you said it only took a couple of minutes. Oh well.[/QUOTE]

What’s the yiddish word for sarcasm? You were the first Tzadok that came up on Google back when you first started posting here (again?).

So much for obscurity !

[QUOTE=BKR;2970407]What’s the yiddish word for sarcasm? You were the first Tzadok that came up on Google back when you first started posting here (again?).

So much for obscurity ![/QUOTE]

His Bs profile is the 3rd hit now for a search under his name. What’s the Yiddish word for screwed?

[QUOTE=hungryjoe;2970408]His Bs profile is the 3rd hit now for a search under his name. What’s the Yiddish word for screwed?[/QUOTE]

I’d look it up in an online yiddish dictionary but I’m afraid to…

[QUOTE=DCS;2970390]So your local Italians do not speak proper Italian anymore?[/QUOTE]

Are you kidding? Haven’t you ever watched The Sopranos, or been to New Jersey?

[QUOTE=BKR;2970399]So Mr. King of the Internet was shouting "fraud at you ? LOL!

Is there such a thing as a fake, Internet Rabbi?[/QUOTE]

If Michael Tzadock is a fraud, we’ll find out eventually. I know I’m not, but he called me one anyway. So it’s on.

Remember, he decided to attack me professionally. I don’t take kindly to people online telling me what my expertise is in various fields.

Only trolls wouldn’t defend their credentials here. Mike T is playing a game he can only lose. The Yiddish games are a good sign he’s not taking the discussion seriously.

[QUOTE=Michael Tzadok;2970388]Cost isn’t unrelated.

Bold for emphasis mine. I’ve pointed out numerous times that “we” as in “we the people” don’t in fact budget for corporate security. Corporate Boardrooms do that usually based on complex algorithms of cost vs loss and benefit vs risk.
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You’re forgetting security requirements for human beings. These really are part of the “complex” corporate equation. Your version is some fairy tale. I don’t call those equations “complex”. I deploy them, so I know better than you.

You’re arguing about cost and budgeting again, “we the people” is a red herring, and you keep bringing up a lot of bullshit fallacies about business impact analysis. Stop. You can bullshit your theories all day long, or you can start talking about the importance of budgeting school security properly rather than get into the weeds about why company X might pay for security control Y.

Yes, your whole line of thought is a big derail from discussion solutions. It’s academic…like you.

[QUOTE=Michael Tzadok;2970388]
So yes it is a false comparison. Without any guessing at all involved they are very different types of entities. Public schools are not profit making entities whereas corporations are. They face different types of threats. They have different insurance requirements. They have different budgetary restraints.
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It’s a correct comparison. Who cares that they are different types of entities when the same physical security controls protect people regardless of profits, types of threats, and insurance requirements, or budgetary constraints?

[QUOTE=Michael Tzadok;2970388]
In case you haven’t figured it out the US as a whole isn’t overly invested in its educational system.
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A new red herring… Our education system is fine. Go start a new thread with all that BS I clipped.

[QUOTE=Michael Tzadok;2970388]
When researchers from North Eastern University are claiming that schools are safer now than they were in the 90’s and that there have only been 8 mass shootings in public schools since Columbine in 1996.
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Only 8 schools, huh? Like I told another, how many mass shootings in schools before Columbine? Are you prepared to claim there’s no significance to the trend, when I can prove otherwise with those fancy “complex” corporate security equations?

[QUOTE=Michael Tzadok;2970388]
So not only do you want to compare the budget(your words see above) of a corporation to that of a public school, you want to burden the budget of a public school to account for a very rare threat. So yeah make your case.
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My local public school has more budget than 100 small businesses. Very rare threat? Apparently not, temporally speaking.

[QUOTE=Michael Tzadok;2970388]
Well you don’t even seem to be certain as whose grandmother she is.
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She’s my wife’s grandmother, therefore mine. Are you now trolling me about who my family is, Rabbi?

[QUOTE=Michael Tzadok;2970388]
First you send me PMs threatening to “expose me as a fraud”.
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Having been exposed as a fraud for 8 years on Bullshido while not being one, I can assure you, it’s part of the process.

[QUOTE=Michael Tzadok;2970388]
You make all kinds of accusations and assumptions about my faith and my qualifications as a Rabbi, both publicly and in PM. You PM me begging me to stop exposing your pseudo-Jewish BS. Look dude, you want nit pick everyone else for all their errors, but you act like a whiney little punk when other people do it to you. Don’t dish it if you can’t take it. Either harden up or shut up.
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Enough with the faux “harden up” act. You haven’t found any fucking “errors” other than your desire to troll a Jewish family in a serious thread about murdered kids.

No, your red herrings about corporate boardrooms and complex corporate security equations aren’t “errors”. It’s your noob opinion.

Just admit you’re wrong about something Jewish for once, and that old Jewish people use the term “kindela” to describe kids. She’s the widow of a survivor. Oh, and I told my wife (someone I know is actually Jewish) what you said and she said you were “Full of shit”.

[QUOTE=Michael Tzadok;2970388]
Now as to whether whomever’s 80yr old grandma is wrong. I’ve already linked one academic Yiddish dictionary, I am willing to link others. Yiddish is a language, it has words, grammar and rules which are recorded in dictionaries, grammars and lexicons. Now if the dictionaries, grammars and lexicons say that you are using the wrong word, I don’t care how many mumbling recordings you bring of old ladies you claim are holocaust survivors you are wrong. You can chose to be an idiot and die on this hill(never ceases to amaze me the hills people will chose to die on) and demonstrate your science and fact denial once again by arguing you or someone you know actually knows better than academic reference materials or you can just admit your mistake and move on. Somehow I think you might be just enough of a ego-maniacal narcissist to insist that that you know better… But I could be wrong.
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You are wrong, and you were warned, and it’s so off-topic by now, in the days of old your silly ass would have spent a week in Trollshido for it.

Die on a hill, ha. Bullshido is a hole, and you’re in deep, Michael.

[QUOTE=W. Rabbit;2970419]If Michael Tzadock is a fraud, we’ll find out eventually. I know I’m not, but he called me one anyway. So it’s on.

Remember, he decided to attack me professionally. I don’t take kindly to people online telling me what my expertise is in various fields.

Only trolls wouldn’t defend their credentials here. Mike T is playing a game he can only lose. The Yiddish games are a good sign he’s not taking the discussion seriously.[/QUOTE]

His creds are out there.

Of course, you are not required in any way to dox yourself, and I’m not asking.

[QUOTE=BKR;2970421]His creds are out there.

Of course, you are not required in any way to dox yourself, and I’m not asking.[/QUOTE]

The creds of an online troll don’t mean shit to me, like Donald Trump’s creds don’t mean shit to me.

Lots of assholes out there with creds. We need more dicks with creds here. I need to toughen up…but he’s trolling over “kindela”??

A million people in NJ would say he’s being a dumbass. I’m speaking for them. Like a million people in NJ would know exactly what “marinar” or “managot” is, but might get into a BS discussion about language.

FYI I sent him a pic of my son’s bar mitzvah and he’s still calling “pseudo-Jewish BS” and my son’s great grandmother, the Holocaust widow “wrong”.

He’s basically being a Linguistic Nazi about Yiddish slang (off topic in a non-YMAS thread about murdered school kids). This is why we can’t have nice things at BS. It’s like arguing “ain’t” isn’t a word…while trying to have a discussion about why there are so many dead school kids recently.

Let me just state I use “kosher” in the same way I have used it for the last decade+ years, with a complete disregard to to any meaning other than my intended definition of “divinely approved”.

[QUOTE=BackFistMonkey;2970429]Let me just state I use “kosher” in the same way I have used it for the last decade+ years, with a complete disregard to to any meaning other than my intended definition of “divinely approved”.[/QUOTE]

I’m a huge fan of kosher deli meats, pickles I like chocolate rugelach but I hate fruit ones. I’m not Jewish but I’m pretty crafty about getting free bagels after the children’s Temple service. I even practice Shabbat tradition every Friday at sundown, only my wife being the comedian sometimes has to use hot dog buns for the Hamotzi, even though she’s got Celiac, kenahorah.

I think the Rabbi is just still butthurt I told him my Rabbi was better. I believe it nor more than ever. He’s got some sort of moral crisis going on, probably why he went to rabbinical school.

Who knows, he’s knew here. Only a scrub would mix a serious thread like this with quasi-serious+trolling. HE was destined to start disclaiming who I said I was…I did it first, but of course that’s my job.

Maybe his derail about private vs. public funding would actually progress the discussion, if he wasn’t so busy amusing himself at my family’s expense like an elitist.

Apparently he’s got no idea how many superintendents there actually are in NJ, where he claims he’s lived. That number proves everything he’s posted about in the last week wrong.

[QUOTE=W. Rabbit;2970420]You’re forgetting security requirements for human beings. These really are part of the “complex” corporate equation. Your version is some fairy tale. I don’t call those equations “complex”. I deploy them, so I know better than you.

You’re arguing about cost and budgeting again, “we the people” is a red herring, and you keep bringing up a lot of bullshit fallacies about business impact analysis. Stop. You can bullshit your theories all day long, or you can start talking about the importance of budgeting school security properly rather than get into the weeds about why company X might pay for security control Y.

Yes, your whole line of thought is a big derail from discussion solutions. It’s academic…like you.[/QUOTE]
It was your false comparison in the first place. Clearly you aren’t the expert that you claim to be if you do not understand the costs of the systems that you are advocating and how they will overburden the already stretched budget.

[QUOTE=W. Rabbit;2970420]It’s a correct comparison. Who cares that they are different types of entities when the same physical security controls protect people regardless of profits, types of threats, and insurance requirements, or budgetary constraints?[/QUOTE]
Moving goal posts again. Sure, let’s not worry about budgetary constraints at all, dump the entire budget into security improvements and screw things like teacher salaries. Clearly they will will keep working without them, just look at West Virginia.

[QUOTE=W. Rabbit;2970420]A new red herring… Our education system is fine. Go start a new thread with all that BS I clipped.[/QUOTE]
LOLOLOLOL. Channeling Trump much? Though here we go with another typical WRabbitism, anything that disproves you is either a troll attempt or a red herring.

[QUOTE=W. Rabbit;2970420]Only 8 schools, huh? Like I told another, how many mass shootings in schools before Columbine? Are you prepared to claim there’s no significance to the trend, when I can prove otherwise with those fancy “complex” corporate security equations?[/QUOTE]
Did you even read the study? I’m not claiming anything, an peer reviewed study from North Eastern University claimed there is no trend. I guess since they don’t agree with your “expert” opinion they are all “n00bs” too. Here you go with your science denial again.

[QUOTE=W. Rabbit;2970420]My local public school has more budget than 100 small businesses. Very rare threat? Apparently not, temporally speaking.[/QUOTE]
Show me a small business with the type of security you are talking about…

[QUOTE=W. Rabbit;2970420]She’s my wife’s grandmother, therefore mine. Are you now trolling me about who my family is, Rabbi?[/QUOTE]
Just pointing out your own errors and inconsistancies.

[QUOTE=W. Rabbit;2970420]Enough with the faux “harden up” act. You haven’t found any fucking “errors” other than your desire to troll a Jewish family in a serious thread about murdered kids.

No, your red herrings about corporate boardrooms and complex corporate security equations aren’t “errors”. It’s your noob opinion.

Just admit you’re wrong about something Jewish for once, and that old Jewish people use the term “kindela” to describe kids. She’s the widow of a survivor. Oh, and I told my wife (someone I know is actually Jewish) what you said and she said you were “Full of shit”.

You are wrong, and you were warned, and it’s so off-topic by now, in the days of old your silly ass would have spent a week in Trollshido for it.

Die on a hill, ha. Bullshido is a hole, and you’re in deep, Michael.[/QUOTE]

Found your errors in Yiddish. Thank you for being enough of narcissist and idiot to insist that you are right. It just goes one step further to showing that you are a fact denier. I bring now two grammars and a lexicon:






Please do continue to argue against provable and demonstrable facts. It only helps people to realize how little your “expert” opinion is actually worth.

[QUOTE=Michael Tzadok;2970432]It was your false comparison in the first place. Clearly you aren’t the expert that you claim to be if you do not understand the costs of the systems that you are advocating and how they will overburden the already stretched budget.
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It wasn’t a false comparison, it was a comparison.

You’re really not advancing the discussion. A Rabbi shouldn’t care about budgets when human lives are at stake. Jesus said so, and he was a rabbi too. A much better one than you.

[QUOTE=Michael Tzadok;2970432]
Moving goal posts again. Sure, let’s not worry about budgetary constraints at all, dump the entire budget into security improvements and screw things like teacher salaries. Clearly they will will keep working without them, just look at West Virginia.
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Strawman with two red herrings, no teacher salaries are a separate issue and so is why they went on strike in WV (hint: there’s a lot of things wrong in WV).

[QUOTE=Michael Tzadok;2970432]
LOLOLOLOL. Channeling Trump much? Though here we go with another typical WRabbitism, anything that disproves you is either a troll attempt or a red herring.
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More like a Trumpian MTzadokism. Our education system is fine. Pick another herring.

[QUOTE=Michael Tzadok;2970432]
Did you even read the study? I’m not claiming anything, an peer reviewed study from North Eastern University claimed there is no trend. I guess since they don’t agree with your “expert” opinion they are all “n00bs” too. Here you go with your science denial again.
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You are misrepresenting the results with your claim about a “trend” when the trend they’re describing is different than the one in this thread.

Listen carefully: person walks into a school, blows dozen+ people away with .223 or better.

This is what we scientists call an “emergent” phenomenon in the US.

[QUOTE=Michael Tzadok;2970432]
Show me a small business with the type of security you are talking about…
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Any decent PI office.

[QUOTE=Michael Tzadok;2970432]
Just pointing out your own errors and inconsistancies.
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It’s Yiddish slang common among Ashkenazi Jewish families. It’s not an “error”.

[QUOTE=Michael Tzadok;2970432]
Found your errors in Yiddish. Thank you for being enough of narcissist and idiot to insist that you are right. It just goes one step further to showing that you are a fact denier. I bring now two grammars and a lexicon:
…CRAP…
Please do continue to argue against provable and demonstrable facts. It only helps people to realize how little your “expert” opinion is actually worth.[/QUOTE]

Remember, my “expert” opinion is actually the word of the widow of a Holocaust hero. So really, her reality is your “error” and you’re Wrong Rabbi (W.Rabbi). Uh o…

–Wrong Rabbi’s derail, we were talking about protecting soft targets (schools) from assault. I made an argument that corporate security > school security and he got in over his keppe about board rooms and the inferior US education system and my pseudo-Jewish identity.

[QUOTE=W. Rabbit;2970433]It wasn’t a false comparison, it was a comparison.

You’re really not advancing the discussion. A Rabbi shouldn’t care about budgets when human lives are at stake. Jesus said so, and he was a rabbi too. A much better one than you.

Strawman with two red herrings, no teacher salaries are a separate issue and so is why they went on strike in WV (hint: there’s a lot of things wrong in WV).

More like a Trumpian MTzadokism. Our education system is fine. Pick another herring.

You are misrepresenting the results with your claim about a “trend” when the trend they’re describing is different than the one in this thread.

Listen carefully: person walks into a school, blows dozen+ people away with .223 or better.

This is what we scientists call an “emergent” phenomenon in the US.

Any decent PI office.

It’s Yiddish slang common among Ashkenazi Jewish families. It’s not an “error”.

Remember, my “expert” opinion is actually the word of the widow of a Holocaust hero. So really, her reality is your “error” and you’re Wrong Rabbi (W.Rabbi). Uh o…[/QUOTE]

Let’s see…
Doesn’t get budgetary restraints.
Tries to bring religion into it, though pulls from the wrong one.
Claims a peer reviewed paper on the phenomenon of gun violence in schools is wrong, offers no proof to back up said wild assertion.
Claims he knows Yiddish better than a Rabbi, who brings to date two dictionaries and two grammars which include the slang(i.e. diminutive), but he still knows better.
So after being full on in science and fact denial still wants to be taken seriously as a scientist and subject matter expert…
I rest my case.

Quoting the last bit which basically contradicts everything you W.Rabbit has advocated thus far:

Fridel said increasing mental health resources for students is another strategy that might improve school safety, calling this a critical need that has been historically overlooked. She also said that the U.S. is facing a desperate shortage of guidance counselors. In 2014-15, the student-to-school counselor ratio was 482-to-1, according to the American School Counselor Association, nearly twice the organization’s recommended ratio.

“You might have students in a very large school who are troubled but who are basically flying under the radar, because you have one guidance counselor for 400 students,” Fridel said.

Should schools become fortresses?
After the Columbine High School shooting in 1999, schools across the country began holding active shooter drills in which they huddled together in a corner or hid under their desks. Such exercises—which may include someone walking around pretending to shoot students—can be very traumatic, Fridel said, and there is no evidence that they help protect students. “These measures just serve to alarm students and make them think it’s something that’s common,” she said.

Other safety precautions, such as installing metal detectors and requiring ID cards for entry, have also proven ineffective in past school shootings.

Fridel pointed to a few examples.

In 1989, a shooter killed five and injured 32 elementary school children in Stockton, California, by targeting them on the playground.

In 2005, a 16-year-old killed seven people at his Minnesota high school by walking through the front door metal detector and fatally shooting a guard.

In a 1998 shooting in Jonesboro, Arkansas, two students pulled a fire alarm and began sniping people as they filed out to the parking lot, killing five and wounding 10 others.
In addition to being ineffective, Fox said increased security measures of these kinds can do more harm than good. He called the suggestion to arm teachers “absurd” and “over the top.”“I’m not a big fan of making schools look like fortresses, because they send a message to kids that the bad guy is coming for you—if we’re surrounding you with security, you must have a bull’s-eye on your back,” Fox said. “That can actually instill fear, not relieve it.”

https://news.northeastern.edu/2018/02/schools-are-still-one-of-the-safest-places-for-children-researcher-says/

So let’s see, schools are underfunded. Mental health services and guidance counselors(a lot more of them) would be effective. Increased security would not. Thus says the peer reviewed expert. Now we get to hear from the self proclaimed expert W. Rabbit about how this is all wrong while offering no proof.