So how does Bullshido feel about Isao Machii?

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[QUOTE=Narimasu773;2920053]isao machii has a world record for cutting a tennis ball in half at 500 mph. Do professional baseball players hit balls at 500mph?[/QUOTE]
I was wondering when this was going to occur. It is this type of flawed thinking which allowed masters to steal money from honest people and gave birth to an entire industry of charlatans. I am not saying he isn’t skilled, but make sure you understand why this example is a false comparison.

500 mph Tennis Ball shot from a stationary launcher with a verbal countdown, line of site and visual clues.

100 MPH with little visual clues, no verbal cues, audience noise and multiple angles of delivery.

No, not the same from you or the person who suggested MLB players could possibly do the same thing.

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Is there an echo in here?

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[QUOTE=NeilG;2920067]Is there an echo in here?[/QUOTE]

When it comes to flawed thinking, yes, indeed, more likely than not…

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[QUOTE=It is Fake;2920065]I was wondering when this was going to occur. It is this type of flawed thinking which allowed masters to steal money from honest people and gave birth to an entire industry of charlatans. I am not saying he isn’t skilled, but make sure you understand why this example is a false comparison.

500 mph Tennis Ball shot from a stationary launcher with a verbal countdown, line of site and visual clues.

100 MPH with little visual clues, no verbal cues, audience noise and multiple angles of delivery.

No, not the same from you or the person who suggested MLB players could possibly do the same thing.[/QUOTE]

i still dont think its fair to compare an iajutsu cut to a professional baseball player and i still find isao machii quite an impressive specimen of swordsmanship.

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[QUOTE=Narimasu773;2920071]i still dont think its fair to compare an iajutsu cut to a professional baseball player and i still find isao machii quite an impressive specimen of swordsmanship.[/QUOTE]

Yet strangely, you are the one doing the comparison:

[QUOTE=Narimasu773;2920053]isao machii has a world record for cutting a tennis ball in half at 500 mph. Do professional baseball players hit balls at 500mph?[/QUOTE]

This has a logic that is not.

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I didn’t start the comparison, i just commented on the comparison.

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[QUOTE=Narimasu773;2920071]i still dont think its fair to compare an iajutsu cut to a professional baseball player and i still find isao machii quite an impressive specimen of swordsmanship.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but what did you just do? Compare swordsmanship to baseball.[QUOTE=Narimasu773;2920076]I didn’t start the comparison, i just commented on the comparison.[/Quote] Yes and I called you and the other person out on the flawed comparisons. No, first doesn’t matter.

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[QUOTE=Narimasu773;2920053]isao machii has a world record for cutting a tennis ball in half at 500 mph. Do professional baseball players hit balls at 500mph?[/QUOTE]

They could, and probably with more accuracy, but that’s just a guess. The Shizuoka Prefecture pitching machine pitches at 143mph, and the MLB record is 105 mph. This is a custom launcher but at that velocity, it’s actually easier to know where the ball will be at that range at a specific time.

I had a whole thing planned where I was going to post the video of that actual test (where Machii missed twice completely and CRIED before hitting on his third attempt, an impressive .333 but after only three at bats, hardly predictive). I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt that you’d seen it already. But it turns out Neil beat me to it, because he’s a rotten bastard.

However, there are quite a few reasons why hitting a fastball is harder than what he’s doing, which is basically listen to a countdown, swing at 0, and attempt to slice in the exact 3"x3" strike zone he knows the ball will be in at t=0. OR as Neil and Fake both pointed out, he doesn’t even have to swing but merely place a blade in the path of a ball traveling 500 mph. Jack Burton said it best. All in the reflexes.

Major league hitters have a much larger strike zone, an unpredictable ball path, and don’t have the luxury of knowing exactly when the ball will be thrown.

It’s an impressive record, and Isao has great reflexes…but I’ve seen better in sports, and his accuracy was actually poor. What would his average have been at Round 10? 2 out of 10 (.200?). Would he have improved over time?

Wouldn’t anyone have a sporting chance simply by trying to swing at “0”? And, couldn’t they do it without the tears?

Anyways, I agree it’s not baseball, but I also think it’s important to be statistical about this sort of “demo”. I just brought up baseball because they’ve got great, scientific statistical methods and this is basically not the same quality. Like I said from the start what I’d like to see is some sort of quantitative analysis of his skill, not the kind of goofy setup and audience participation I witnessed in the two demos.

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for me, the most impressive cut was the green bean cut.

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As far as feats of skill how does Isao compare to Anthony Kelly the ninja arrow catcher??

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[QUOTE=Bneterasedmynam;2920148]As far as feats of skill how does Isao compare to Anthony Kelly the ninja arrow catcher??[/QUOTE]

It would take me one day to replicate Anthony Kelly’s trick and 3 or 4 days to copy Isao’s.

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[QUOTE=BackFistMonkey;2920151]It would take me one day to replicate Anthony Kelly’s trick and 3 or 4 days to copy Isao’s.

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Ok so does that mean Isao has more skill and better reflexes??

Oh and could you please demonstrate with a vid??

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[QUOTE=Bneterasedmynam;2920152]Ok so does that mean Isao has more skill and better reflexes??

Oh and could you please demonstrate with a vid??[/QUOTE]

You get me a film crew, the gear, and some money to compensate me for my time and you have a deal. Why do you think I am in marketing and not catching arrows?

You can tell Iaso is using a more impressive skill set because … * drum roll * that shit looks hard. Like critically, that does not look easy. Him chopping aluminum rods and prissing around isn’t hard but yeah hitting a .5 or .22 ball with a sword is not easy. That shit is going to take some takes.

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[QUOTE=BackFistMonkey;2920153]You get me a film crew, the gear, and some money to compensate me for my time and you have a deal. Why do you think I am in marketing and not catching arrows?

You can tell Iaso is using a more impressive skill set because … * drum roll * that shit looks hard. Like critically, that does not look easy. Him chopping aluminum rods and prissing around isn’t hard but yeah hitting a .5 or .22 ball with a sword is not easy. That shit is going to take some takes.[/QUOTE]

At the velocities we’re talking about, he is not so much hitting the projectiles with the katana, but merely drawing and putting the blade at a precise lateral plane, something he’s probably practiced a hundred thousand times.

The smaller the ball, the more precise he has to be. A 2.7 inch diameter tennis ball has more room for error, and if you watch all three attempts:

Round 1 - barely misses
Round 2 - missed by inches (ie less accurate than roune 1)
Round 3 - perfect bifurcation

With the BB, it’s basically the same exact test with a smaller, slower ball. And, the Guinness test with the tennis ball practically proves that he CANNOT hit the BB on every attempt.

So, it stands to reason the successful attempt to slice the BB was not only not the first attempt, he easily could miss the BB on a subsequent attempt.

Honestly, I thought the videos of him cutting through stacks of bamboo trees were way more impressive than this ball-splitting trick. But you’re right…I think his Guiness records would not be that hard to break, if someone actually had the time and inclination to try.

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[QUOTE=BackFistMonkey;2920153]You get me a film crew, the gear, and some money to compensate me for my time and you have a deal. Why do you think I am in marketing and not catching arrows?

You can tell Iaso is using a more impressive skill set because … * drum roll * that shit looks hard. Like critically, that does not look easy. Him chopping aluminum rods and prissing around isn’t hard but yeah hitting a .5 or .22 ball with a sword is not easy. That shit is going to take some takes.[/QUOTE]

Excuses, excuses. All you need is a cell phone with a camera. Come on you said “one day” so let’s see it. You have made a pretty specific claim so back it up.

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[QUOTE=Narimasu773;2920137]for me, the most impressive cut was the green bean cut.[/QUOTE]

Where’s that video?

I want to compare it to this dude’s video.

//youtu.be/Iz_QNUC4Gq8

Hey…is it just me or does this guy almost slice his fingers off a few times. Experts? Is that proper technique?

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[QUOTE=Pship Destroyer;2920186]Where’s that video?

I want to compare it to this dude’s video.

//youtu.be/Iz_QNUC4Gq8

Hey…is it just me or does this guy almost slice his fingers off a few times. Experts? Is that proper technique?[/QUOTE]

I can’t see where he almost cuts his fingers off, but again I would wonder how many attempts it took.

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[QUOTE=Bneterasedmynam;2920192]I can’t see where he almost cuts his fingers off, but again I would wonder how many attempts it took.[/QUOTE]

Watch him sheathing the blade. Just one example, and not the only one… he seems to do it drawing the blade too.

His left thumb doesn’t seem like it should be there…ouch…

Isao Machii does NOT draw or sheath his blade the same way. Like a real Samurai probably would, he actually pays attention to the supposed razor sharp blade he’s wielding…

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[QUOTE=Bneterasedmynam;2920159]Excuses, excuses. All you need is a cell phone with a camera. Come on you said “one day” so let’s see it. You have made a pretty specific claim so back it up.[/QUOTE]

I also gave you the EXACT conditions I could do it in. Give me those conditions I claimed or go fuck yourself. It is real easy to be honest and truthful. I don’t know why you can’t be honest and not a little conniving bitch ass pussy,

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[QUOTE=Pship Destroyer;2920186]Where’s that video?

I want to compare it to this dude’s video.

//youtu.be/Iz_QNUC4Gq8

Hey…is it just me or does this guy almost slice his fingers off a few times. Experts? Is that proper technique?[/QUOTE]

it was in the second video i posted, he chops the tip of a mushroom, then a green bean laterally, then a bb, then a metal rod.

i was most impressed by the lateral green bean cut.