Hey.
I wanted to see what people think about thi style of JJ? I’ve heard 2 sides of it. One side, mainly Judoka’s, say that Small Circle JJ is good stuff, and that it has both ground and standing grappling. Others say it’s non resistance bullshit. Since I’m at Bullshido, I am curious/interested in what ya’ll think.
Dude… what does that mean… non compliment… does that mean it’s a martial art that’s stingy with praise?
Did you mean compliant ( as in compliant drills )? Being non-compliant isn’t usually a bad thing.
Wasen’t paying attention, edit.
I have no first hand experience… I’ve seen demos on tape that looked a bit like Aikido.
Small Circle JJ? = Crappy Worthless Bullshit?
Not in the UFC = It sucks.
+rep for you
I saw small joint locks in that vid you posted Sasquatch…
You know this means they could claim it’s too deadly for the UFC, don’t you? 
too true. I cant’ wait for teh r34l NHB to go mainstream…
Nooooo… you do know that eye-gouges is the real anti-grapple, dontcha?
Wally Jay > Chuck Lidell
The founder of SMJJ, Wally Jay, was a good Judo coach. However, the small-circle stuff is a lot more like traditional JJJ than Judo. Standing finger & wrist locks with some throws is the small circle.
Moreover, the new head of the system, Leon Jay, has aligned himself with George Dillman and does no touch KO’s and other pressure point BS.
Beware of that stuff and go check it out for yourself.
BTW, the small circle just refers to the way the wrist is moved to tighten the joint locks more.
Got a link for that?
I Small Circle Jujitsu book review written by a BJJ and Judoka: http://members.aol.com/bjj33/wally.htm
Intro and final paragraph below.
So far, my book reviews have been about sport Judo, mostly the Ippon Masterclass books. I feel these are the most practical and relevant for grappling competitions, NHB, or self-defense (not to mention judo). One of the little talked about features of the upsurge in jujutsu and other grappling arts, which have shown themselves to be effective in NHB, is that we are not seeing anything at all of traditional jujutsu (or aikido) stand-up locks, joint breaking techniques, or any of the more exotic throws. The only standing submission I remember seeing in a NHB was when Pat Smith did the standing guillotine on some guy in one of the UFCs.
A lot of people think that “jujutsu” is synonymous with groundfighting when in fact only BJJ concentrates on the ground. While other jujutsu styles usually teach ground techniques, they don’t do so in a systematic way. Usually, it is just a series of set moves or countermoves. In this sense, BJJ is really closer to Judo with a heavy emphasis on ne-waza. Consequently, reviewing a book such as Wally Jay’s Small-Circle Jujitsu presents something of a problem. In my opinion, many of the techniques of conventional jujutsu (I use that term to encompass of the classical jujutsu ryu of Japan and the modern but still traditionally patterned jujutsu of the West), are unrealistic and ineffective. I say this having practiced several such styles for a couple of years. I’m not saying that all the techniques don’t work, but many of them don’t, and those that could are often taught in a very impractical way by most styles and instructors.
However, it would be unfair for me to review a conventional jujutsu book simply by the standards of BJJ. The various styles of conventional jujutsu simply have different techniques than BJJ. Consequently, I am aiming to evaluate these types of books by their quality or presentation and how realistic and effective these techniques are compared to what I think the most pragmatic examples of conventional jujutsu can be. While I think conventional jujutsu is much weaker than BJJ, there are some situations (like being mugged) which many of the grappling videos out now don’t cover (as they aim toward NHB or grappling competitions) or in which the BJJ is not much different at all.
The ratings I give to books which I consider less practical are on average lower than ratings I give to practical ones; but sometimes a well produced and fairly pragmatic conventional jujutsu book will have a higher rating than a weak practical book even though I might consider a weak practical judo book to be, well, more practical (that was a mouthful). Unfortunately, Small-Circle Jujitsu is not an example of a good conventional jujutsu book. While I hear that Wally Jay is popular on the seminar circuit, I can’t imagine that it is for teaching (much of) anything in this book. On the whole, if the stuff in this book is not incredibly basic it is impractical. And while I realize Jay is advanced in years (I’d love to be as active as him when I’m over 80) his partners in the photos seem to attack far too tamely even for a photo demonstration (i.e. a guy raises his hand to punch, but appears to be too far away to even make contact).
…I really couldn’t give much of a reason to buy this book (unless you want to be like me because I did). The few little tricks in here that are neat you could skim at the bookstore. Since nothing is demonstrated in detail you wouldn’t really get anything from going over it. For a groundfighter looking to add some standing locks and such to his repertoire there are better books out there.
Pretty much my opinion on classical juiitsu as well.
http://www.smallcirclejujitsu.co.uk/leonjay.htm
Here’s Leon Jay’s biography on the SMJJ site. He’s listed as an 8th under Dillman.
I caught a show where skeptics were testing chi claims and Jay tried a chi KO on one of the skeptics. He failed miserably. Dillman explained the failure away by claiming that the skeptic must’ve had his tongue or toes in position to nullify the technique.
yeah, thats old news
Virus, who was that bjj player that did the review? well written
Old news on the dillman thing, but thnx neway
Virus, who was the bjj player who wrote that? Excellent writing
Scott Sina wrote that review.
The bottom line is that if you really want to train standing locks, ask your judo coach.