I got somewhat of bully/cholo(beaner ‘gangster’) problem at school. Hes been talking crap about me and has called me out several times in public all because i made fun of him for doing something stupid in class. I’ve told him id fight him because iv been getting tired of his shit. the only problem i have is whether or not i should honestly hurt him? i dont mean to sound like some cocky sob that thinks he a total badass but my grappling/submission skills and takedowns are pretty good in terms of bjj/mma and for someone who has no idea wtf fighting on the ground means(besides kicking some guy on the ground after a bunch of your gay faggot friends helped you get him down). He throws wild haymakers while not blocking his face at ALL. I even promised him that during the course of the fight i would absolutely throw 0 punches (as i intend to do) and hes assuming im gonna kick, which i dont plan on doing but havnt told him. So im just gonna fake sumthing, make him flinch, go for double leg, hip toss, single leg, and from there, go for preferably an armbar or knee bar. Iv decided that once im in this position i would break his arm and or leg. As if i were to let him go, he would just go right ahead shittalking and being a faggot. Whats your guy’s opinions? If i do happen to break his arm he could 1.) Get his parents all pissed at me and sue me, although im not sure if you do it in selfdefense 2.)get all his ‘homies’ to jump me, although thats unlikely due to the fact that i hang out with a lot of fellow MA and wrestlers like myself. The only thing that im contemplating is what the consequences will be (law wise). Me soph.-2years grapppling training-4years striking- him senior. “gangsta” “street fighting”
Die and go fuck yourself you idiot.
Your focus at this point should be trying to talk your way out of fighting. Granted, it’s a lot harder than talking your way IN to a fight, but that’s because it’s generally easier to make a stupid decision.
But to answer your question, if you do manage to get him in a position where you could do some damage to his arm, breaking it seems very extreme for the position you’re in (high school altercation which you’ll look back on when you’re older and feel dumb about). If you can get him into a position where you can armbar him at will, then it shouldn’t be too hard to maintain that position and smack him around a little. Sure, you said you wouldn’t throw punches, but I’m sure he’ll appreciate the proper use of his arm for the rest of his life in the long run.
Just to reiterate though, try to get yourself out of the mess first, you dumb kid.
Ahhh, kids…
Injuring someone in a fight where no one is in real danger of getting seriously hurt or killed is stupid and illegal.
If you HAVE to fight him and you’re good at chokes, choke him out, but not for a millisecond more than you have to or stop right after he gives up. Anyway verify he’s okay afterwards, you don’t want him to swallow his tongue and die.
The BEST thing you can do is finding something else to do that doesn’t involve fighting.
Don’t be a teenage retard and get your parents sued, and yourself kicked out of school and possibly sent to juvie.
There’s no good reason to fight this guy, he’s a senior, and if he’s graduating, he’ll be out of your life in 2 or 3 months. You’ve got 2 more years of high school to fuck up.
If you absolutely, positively have to solve this physically, just use your grappling skills to embarrass him, get mount and slap him a little, or spank him a la Randy v. Tito.
Maybe the “adults” here shouldn’t give a minor advice on what to do during an illegal altercation.
This is what the kid is going to do: apologize to the guy for punking him in front of everyone and then go read a book and prepare for his next exam.
That’s like saying “don’t talk to your kids about sex, because they shouldn’t be having it.”
He’s probably going to do SOMETHING, so why should he be a fucktard about it?
Let me just start by saying I can relate to you; I just graduated high school last year and there were tons of cholos there (I’d say about 90% of the thugs there were cholos). I’ve gotten into a few fights myself (a lot of them didn’t like the fact I’m half white/half Mexican)… but I regret all of them, they were really stupid. Here are a few words of advice:
First of all, fighting because someone was talking shit is a stupid idea. Why? Because you can let him say that stuff, and it will still not be true. The only reason to fight is self-defense. Simple as that.
Also, as someone who has seen this firsthand, messing with a cholo has about a 50-50 chance of reprecussion from his friends; you will get jumped later by a minimum of 3-4 people, and Judo/Wrestling will not help you because while you have one guy in a chokehold the other guys are kicking your head in. I’ve seen people get jumped right in front of me and not been able to do anything because me vs 10 people just doesn’t give me any way to win. Even with a few martial artist friends they will just find more cholos. It sucks, but its a fact of life.
Finally, should fighting become inevitable, go with marcus’s advice and just smack him around a little. That would much lessen the chance of a cholo counter-attack and would still shut him up.
Serious advice aside, I always found it hilarious how an overwhelming majority of cholos fight like twelve year olds with cerebral palsy. Their punches range from wild haymakers to the “windmill” as I like to call it (where they just start waving around their arms). Also like you said, they never block, they always just take. Its just funny.
got somewhat of bully/cholo(beaner ‘gangster’) problem at school. Hes been talking crap about me and has called me out several times in public all because i made fun of him for doing something stupid in class.
ahem. ahem.
If you absolutely must fight him, get him to come to your ma/grappling school. And get your instructor to supervise. Having him sign a waiver would also be advisable. Do not fight anywhere else where his friends can jump you or school administrators/law enforcement will be compelled to get involved. And do not break any bones. Once you have the dominant position either choke him out or just maintain control of him.
Probably not the “never back down” epic fight you want, but it’s the best option for a stupid situation. Only agree to fight him under these terms and if he calls you a pussy, let him. I’m going to assume you have a brighter future ahead of you than this guy, no need to screw that up.
[quote=Ka-Bar;2103132]That’s like saying “don’t talk to your kids about sex, because they shouldn’t be having it.”
He’s probably going to do SOMETHING, so why should he be a fucktard about it?[/quote]
Not really but OK: Kid, if you agree to fight this kid, you are breaking the law. You could easily go to jail, or have a criminal record. Now, if you don’t agree to fight him, but he attacks you, and you defend yourself, it might be a different story. You will still probably get in trouble at school, regardless of who started it (which was you, if I recall).
If you have to defend yourself, try to do so with the minimal force. Don’t break his arm. Expect his friends to jump in. Hopefully you can just apologize and talk to him about it.
Oh, and wear a condom.
[quote=M.Bison;2103111]I got somewhat of bully/cholo(beaner ‘gangster’) problem at school.
(besides kicking some guy on the ground after a bunch of your gay faggot friends helped you get him down). [/quote]
So, what do you plan to do after you take him down and his gay faggot beaner friends start kicking you? I mean, will your fellow Klansmen be there as your seconds?
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Stop giving him advice, he deserves a whupping.
Considering I grew up in that area I can sympathize but stop being a dumbass. You probably provoked the situation. If you want to fight him honorably and show him you’re not a punk then do it. If you deliberately hurt him it’s going to come back and haunt you one way or another.
Break his arm and be prepared to lose alot of friends.
Anyone with some fighting experience can tell if a move is intentional.
Inviting him to your dojo for a “demonstration” is a very good idea.
If any of his friends want to “help” out, the adults will intervene.
“Fight” at the dojo gives no reason for the police and school authorities to intervene because of adult supervision there, whereas school yard = instant dismissal if not jail-time.
Besides, inviting him for an honorable fair and square fight with a instructor supervising makes you the bigger man.
Let me get this straight:
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You have provoked one of your fellow students by trying to humiliate him in front of his peers.
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You have come on this forum and admitted as much with a liberal smattering of racist and homophobic language.
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You have admitted to be actively considering doing serious (possibly permanent) damage to this person with whom you have initiated a conflict situation despite the fact that you do not feel threatened by his ability to do violence to you.
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You seem to want some sort of positive reinforcement from the posters on this forum that all of the above is ok.
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I hope that either:
a) You are able to see what an arsehole you are, apologise to the “Beaner” and his “Homo” mates and make a concerted effort to confront your predjudices.
b) Someone who sees this thread knows who you are and shops you before you can damage another human being.
I don’t mind which.
Yeah, I was going to start with suggesting you apologize for being an ass. Now, that will probably be taken as a sign of weakness. If this guy still wants to fight let him know that your willing, but will only do it at your gym under supervision. If he actually likes fighting you may get a training partner out of the deal.
Oh, and now is the perfect time to stop being an ass.
Here’s your problem: You’re fucked. If you back out you are putting your safty at even greater risk. You have put yourself in a position where you have to fight, and you have to win, and you’re probably fucked even then. Breaking bones is a very very bad idea, and you will pay for it either at school, in court or at the Police station. If I were in your position my HYPOTHETICAL solution would be RNC to unconsciousness. No harm done. Fight over. Cholo unconscious on the ground as you walk away might gain you enough respect to be left alone in the future, but like I said, at this point you have no good options.
Next time you accept a fight, make sure its in a cage.
[quote=Totemicist;2103203]Let me get this straight:
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You have provoked one of your fellow students by trying to humiliate him in front of his peers.
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You have come on this forum and admitted as much with a liberal smattering of racist and homophobic language.
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You have admitted to be actively considering doing serious (possibly permanent) damage to this person with whom you have initiated a conflict situation despite the fact that you do not feel threatened by his ability to do violence to you.
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You seem to want some sort of positive reinforcement from the posters on this forum that all of the above is ok.
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I hope that either:
a) You are able to see what an arsehole you are, apologise to the “Beaner” and his “Homo” mates and make a concerted effort to confront your predjudices.
b) Someone who sees this thread knows who you are and shops you before you can damage another human being.
I don’t mind which.[/quote]
How the hell did I get a crush on you? Better do some push-ups before the homo beaters come out and expose the holes in my patented wind-mill defence.