In case nobody has “outed” this instructor on this forum yet, here is a link to “Shinan” John Sharpe’s webpage. He was my instructor in AZ years ago and currently runs a small school in Mexico. He claims to have black belts in 14 different MA’s and is the “founder” of Sekai-Ryu Ju-Jutsu (which is just Miyama-Ryu under a different name). Here’s the link: (it’s in spanish, so google the site and translate it)
Eric Wagner, who is the phony
sensei eric wagner earned a childs black belt from me many, many years ago, en karate. He has not earned his adult black belt. In ju-jutsu, he earned a childs basic brown belt. You contacted me to help you open a dojo there in florida. Due to a fatal computer problem, I lost total contact with you and everyone else. At that point in time, you and I had made plans for me to fly to florida to help you get your black belt and open a school. As for my 49 years on training in the martial arts, my actions speak louder then your words. Points of knowledge for you: 1. Sekai-Ryu is not a off-shoot of Miyama-Ryu Jiu-Jitsu. 2. Okuiri is a black belt 1-2 en Miyama-Ryu Jiu-Jitsu; in Japan is is the classical rank of 4 degree black belt. What happened between your mother and me should no go public, for the sake of all.
As I always say, Everyone has their own opion. Opinions are like backsides to say it softly, I have my own and do not need anyone elses. You are very welcome to visit me in mexico anytime you want. I hope we do not have to talk about this again. Do not show your stupidity. As for me being a great teacher, there are no great teachers, only great students. Do not be jealous. As for the size of my school in Tucson, as verified by Karate International Magazine, I had 6,000 students, shortly thereafter, it went to 8,000 students. I now run the largest martial arts school in the state of Sonora, Mexico. I have or am teaching the P.G.R., mexicos F.B.I.; Federal Caminos, highway patrol, P.F.P., federal police; P.G.J.E., the state police of Sonora, the Municipal Police of Hermosillo, agents of A.F.I., mexicos Federal Investigatoras, and members of special forces en Mermosillo. With over probably 30,000 happy students, what happened to you. :adora: Shinan Sharpe.
Welcome to Bullshido (both of you).
First off: wags, are you jujutsutampa at fightingarts.com? (Who posted this)
If what you claim is true then Shinan Sharpe has been claiming false lineage and simply created his own art and promoted himself grandmaster (Or, as his website states: Maestro de Mastroes)
jujutsutampa also wrote:
Which strengthens your claim that it’s heavily Miyama Ryu based.
As for my 49 years on training in the martial arts
Your website is down, could you please expand on this?
- Sekai-Ryu is not a off-shoot of Miyama-Ryu Jiu-Jitsu.
Could you please provide it’s roots then?
Okuiri is a black belt 1-2 en Miyama-Ryu Jiu-Jitsu; in Japan is is the classical rank of 4 degree black belt.
How is a 1st and 2nd degree in Miyama Ryu a 4th degree in “classical” Japan? Especially since classical Japanese arts don’t use the belt ranking system. Furthermore according to Judoinfo.com okuiri is the lowest menkyo rank, which wouldn’t translate into a 4th Dan and certainly not a Master of Masters.
What happened between your mother and me should no go public
He didn’t bring it up, so you don’t either and frankly I don’t care or want to know what you are talking about. If it is something that shouldn’t go public, don’t bring it up.
I have or am teaching the P.G.R., mexicos F.B.I.; Federal Caminos, highway patrol, P.F.P., federal police; P.G.J.E., the state police of Sonora, the Municipal Police of Hermosillo, agents of A.F.I., mexicos Federal Investigatoras, and members of special forces en Mermosillo
Do you have verification of such claims?
Also note: the only Sekai Ryu Jujutsu is Sekai Isshin Ryu and no note of a Shinan John Sharpe was there.
In Defense Of Shinan Sharpe
I studied under Shinan Sharpe in Tucson, AZ during 1987-1989. Personally, I don’t care what the man’s personal life was and anybody that wants to attack him on a personal level, you who has no sin - cast the first stone. Everybody has their own personal problems. As far as his abilities as a martial arts instructor, I learned more in 6 months under his teaching than any of these so-called tae kwon do dojos teach their students in 3 years. When we advanced in rank, it wasn’t from the instructor watching how good our techniqu was on a kata and we didn’t have to pay for the tests. I personally was involved in assisting the training of military and police personnel. What I came away with actually worked on the street and it proved itself time in and time out, especially when I moonlighted as a bouncer for almost 3 years. What I was taught isn’t just to look good in the movies, it is actually effective in defending yourself on the street. I have great confidence in his abilities as a martial arts instructor, regardless of who says where he got what ranking, his actions in the dojo spoke louder than words.
damn, i bet u didn’t expect to have the guy you were talking shit about, confront you. i was reading this, and i just thought to myself, “OH SNAP!”
Actually that happens pretty frequently here because we try to make it happen. The ideal situation is for the accuser and accused to both present their sides of the situation and their accompanying evidence which is then examined and analyzed here.
Is this the John Sharpe in question? http://www.jiujitsujapones.com/
What exactly about his claims do you believe is fraudulent? Please give a proper list of claims and the reason you believe they are fraudulent. So far your original post is just “HEY LOOK AT THIS GUY!!!” which isn’t how things generally work here.
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What exactly about his claims do you believe is fraudulent? Please give a proper list of claims and the reason you believe they are fraudulent. So far your original post is just “HEY LOOK AT THIS GUY!!!” which isn’t how things generally work here.[/quote]
Don’t hold your breath. The OP is from June 07. First and second reply is Jan 08. Then defense of Instructor is Nov 09. Talk about slow moving thread.
Wouldn’t be the first time a Necro resulted in an investigation springing up simply because more involved people were on the internet now than they were 2 years ago.>:) I’m not exactly panting in anticipation, but doesn’t hurt to keep an eye out.
[quote=Kintanon;2268173]Actually that happens pretty frequently here because we try to make it happen. The ideal situation is for the accuser and accused to both present their sides of the situation and their accompanying evidence which is then examined and analyzed here.
Is this the John Sharpe in question? http://www.jiujitsujapones.com/
What exactly about his claims do you believe is fraudulent? Please give a proper list of claims and the reason you believe they are fraudulent. So far your original post is just “HEY LOOK AT THIS GUY!!!” which isn’t how things generally work here.[/quote]
hahaha i love it. finally a forum that isn’t full of bullshit. i’m not totally sure if thats a pun or not. i’ll know the answer after im here for a while, i guess haha
First of all I have to present my self, my name is Aldo Fenech, I live in Hermosillo Sonora, Mexico is very saddening for me to render an account than now anyone can accuse anybody through Internet hiding under a nickname, without giving his true name or identity, where he lives, or how to contact him undeniably, I believe that one of the fundamental rights that every person must have in any, place or culture, is to know what is been accuse for, who accuses him and the proofs they have against him, thing that I fail to see here, what I see here is Cowardice, cowardice of the persons that throw a stone and hide the hand, this man who you press charges of phoney do not hide, he has a website, he say where he lives and how to contact him, I believe faithfully that martial arts are strongly related to honor, and there is nothing honorable of what you are doing.
This John Sharpe, is a beloved and respected person in his community, where he in a disinterested way offers his knowledge, he offers scholarship and discounts in order that young poor kids can learn and practice martial arts, he also train for free several police officers in order that they be better capacitated and protect the society, he get worried for his students and supply a free gym for young people without financial resources, he also visit the schools of their young students and chat with their teachers to make sure that his students are good students, also maintain narrow contact with their parents and brothers to check their behavior at home, he also whit the help of a nutriologist provide help at no cost to his students whit overweight, but that is not all, when the state government ask him help to training the police department of a small town in the frontier because they were having problems whit youth gangs he offers to not just train the police officers, but to stay in that town to patrol the streets whit them and help them brake down the gangs, and this was for FREE!!!
i personally don’t care if he has all the ranks that he says he had, and don’t care about the LINAGE of what u talk about has long he teaches a good practical way to practice Martial Arts, a practical way to defend my self. what is good for the LINAGE if you don’t do anything to help others?? Who of you BIG BLACK BELTS whit honorable LINAGE have done similar acts of unselfishness??? Who of yours have affected positively so many people in so many different places??? And however you press charges and throw stones against and honorable person … who of yours is doing something to make the difference and help those around you???
I bet that you believe that Im just another student of this John Sharpe, in fact, I was, Im no longer study martial arts whit this person, Mr. Sharpe and I are not friends anymore, we had our differences and i decide to split from his honorable dojo, but not that’s why I am going to be given that he be accused cowardly without leaving to defend a good person. I can be contacted at aldofenech@hotmail.com if you need do not hesitate to write, and we can arrange a skype or messenger meeting.
I personally agree with the cited posters that rank is of little importance if the instruction is quality.
With that being said an instructor who makes false claims to rank or overexaggerates his instructor status is telling lies to those who don’t know any better. Regardless of the quality of instruction given the instructor making false claims is still a liar. Liars can give excellent instruction just like anyone else potentially can.
Even if you don’t care if you are learning from a liar many others do. I have no opinion on the specific person in question here. However, if your best defense of this guy or any person is “I don’t care what he claims…” than you don’t have much of an argument in my book.
nice to meet u mr. jason, first of all
you have no right to put in question if
im giving my real name (in fact it is my
real name, look for me in facebook u will
see a picture of me if u want to see how
do i look like) at least im giving my last
name something that dont i dont know why u r not doing
maybe because u love ur “Freedom” others
can say for cowardice, but this is not importan
if you really wanted do contact me i leave
behind my “real” email address, but i tink thar
u just coundnt read it, about your challenge…
let me tell u that in any law system the person
that acuse somebody of anything have to probe
his acusation, aplaying this, u guys acuse
this man for been a “phony” and challenge him
and others to probe you wrong. if it is that
simple like you say it is, why u dont contact
all those teachers of those styles, once and for
all probe ur coward acusations, cuz i all ready
told you that i dont care if he have or not
all those ranks. if i bring all his good actions is
cuz a tree is know for the fruit that grows
in it, and i have only see good things in this
person. u are more than welcome to probe me wrong.
again Jaison if you want my phone number, my adress
and anything alse feel free to drope me some lines
at the email adress aldofenech@hotmail.com
I made this point elsewhere, but I will make it here again.
Both Benny Hinn and Peter Popoff (Evangelical Christian Pastors) have been caught using Magic tricks to make people believe they are in contact with God. Popoff used a radio receiver in his ear to get information about the people in the audience (See the Steve Martin move "Leap of Faith.) Hinn used a silly old magic stunt to make it look like he was healing someone’s leg. He also does many other silly things, all of which have been exposed by James Randi. This information was widely shown, and is well known to those who follow this stuff.
Yet, both men still have a following and Hinn a HUGE one. He is on all the TBN and CBN kind of programs and no one has a problem with him. When I ask about that I get told “He preaches a perfect Bible message.” The masses who love him simply ignore what he does/did.
Now, he very well may preach perfectly, and his message to the faithful might be spot on; however nothing will change the fact of what he did, and why he did it. As such, nothing he has to say about “God,” or the Bible means a thing to me, and it shouldn’t to any rational person.
That took a bit, and I am sorry it did, but the point is the same. With a made up, self-promoted background, there is not much he is going to do or say that I will pay attention to. Go public that you were a major BS artist in the past, stop making those silly claims, and THEN we can talk.
Moreover, lots of people “believe.” From Hinn’s followers, to you about this guy. Belief doesn’t change the truth, and that is what this web site is all about.
My name is Eric Wagner. I believe it was a few years ago that I posted the original statement in this thread. I was angry at “Shinan” John Sharpe for misleading me for so many years into believing everything he told me. As a mentor, I believed and trusted him, and he betrayed that trust. I studied Karate, Ju-Jutsu and occasionally Ninpo under Mr. Sharpe, and was fascinated by his skills. I was also very respectful and in awe of his credentials, which included a distinguished career in the US Army (Special Forces), and as a “narcotics detective with the NYPD” (which is what he told everyone. With a few years gone by since our contact, I found John Sharpe teaching in Mexico and was excited to contact him, believing that I could continue training with him and possibly open a school here in Florida under his name.
Thanks to the internet, I accidentally stumbled onto the Miyama Ryu Jujutsu homepage, where they have a registry of all of their black belt holders. The webpage listed John E. Sharpe as an Okuiri (entrance to secrets) black belt. This is the first black belt you can receive in the art, and contradicts Mr. Sharpe’s claim of a “4th Dan in Miyama Ryu”. I thought that maybe there was a typo, so I contacted the Miyama-Ryu leadership, and they confirmed that Mr. Sharpe left the Miyama-Ryu shortly after receiving his first black belt. I continued investigating other aspects of his martial arts claims and consistently ran into people who had either trained with Mr. Sharpe or worked with him in other capacities. All evidence pointed towards Mr. Sharpe being dishonest with his claims. This came as a major shock and HUGE disappointment to someone who treated Mr. Sharpe as a role model for many years.
I am a military veteran who has worked closely with Special Operations (in a support role only… I do not claim to be an Operator by any means, and give my deepest respect to those who are). I can say with utmost certainty that Mr. Sharpe’s claims of affiliation with “Delta Force” and “black ops” are false. This is just a disappointment, knowing that my mentor of so many years was willing and able to lie to people who respected him.
I discovered information that pointed towards Mr. Sharpe’s claim of affiliation with the New York Police Department as being false as well. In 2007 I became a law enforcement deputy here in FL and had the greatest experiences of my life as a cop. I have just as much (if not more) respect for LE as I do for the military. Mr. Sharpe was a cop in the state of New York, which earns my respect. He was not, apparently, a member of the New York City Police Dept, contrary to his claims. Again, this was a major disappointment to me, as someone who looked up to this gentleman.
I have since come to terms with all of the above information, and wish no ill will towards John Sharpe. I will say publicly that John Sharpe is a phenomenal martial artist and an excellent instructor. Many of the martial arts techniques and experience I have used (in the military, as a law enforcement officer, and as a citizen) came from Mr. Sharpe’s instruction so many years ago. I thank him for the instruction, and only wish that he would offer himself for what he is, rather than what he wants people to believe he is. Either way, I wish his continued success as an instructor and as a person.
Eric Wagner
Valrico, FL
Federal agent afi (mexican fbi)
Gentlemen, I’ won’t gett into much detail about Mr Sharpe…
I used to be a Federal Agent in AFI, worked for the Intelligence and latter on reasigned to the most ellitistic special operations unit in the country… This unit still exist as GEO TEAM (named after de GEO unit from the National Police in Spain), our unit serves as a counter terrorist and anti organized crime unit… we share trainning with the FBI, Diplomatic Security Dept., ATF, GAFE (Aero movile special operations Unit, or Mexican Green verets), Swat unit members from texas and L.A, RAID (french Swat police), so I’m pretty sure that we have a good scope of what really works on real life encounters and the techniques that really works…
This said, every thing I learned from Sharpe about self defense, hand to hand combat, arrest and control of suspects using different martianl arts techniques were the best when tested against all other instructors I had during my life, including brazilian and militar related.
As you all know Mexican drug cartels are considered terrorist in Mexico and many other countries, so our unit was created to engage in guns fights with drug dealers and many, many times hand to hand combat, my partner’s lifes hostages and civilian’s lives on the scene are in the line and only courage, trainnning and skills can get you trough every day alive.
The way of life, the honor, self sacrifice to others and the courage to do things right every time, even in the presence of fear and death sorrounding you, is only tought by reall masters…
Every thing learned from Sensei sharp was usefull in my life, his knowlege and techniques I learned from him saved my life many times and helped to save many others as well in the field, thanks to the man some of you call false…
I don’t know and I don’t care if tittles and ranks are given or taken away by other Sensei, the truth is that Sensei Sharpe is a real master of real combat that really works and a Master of life it self, since he has been a true inspiration to others…
Best regards…
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The way of life, the honor, self sacrifice to others and the courage to do things right every time, even in the presence of fear and death sorrounding you, is only tought by reall masters…
Every thing learned from Sensei sharp was usefull in my life, his knowlege and techniques I learned from him saved my life many times and helped to save many others as well in the field, thanks to the man some of you call false…
I don’t know and I don’t care if tittles and ranks are given or taken away by other Sensei, the truth is that Sensei Sharpe is a real master of real combat that really works and a Master of life it self, since he has been a true inspiration to others…
Best regards…[/quote]
Now I don’t know whether Sharp lied about his credentials or not, but I find taker’s statements to be contradictory (and suggestive of the fact that Sharp is a liar after all).
How can you speak of honour when referring to someone who lies? And not a lie to help someone, or hide some embarrassment, but a lie to self-aggrandize and self-promote. How can you not care that someone you so clearly idolize has such a serious character flaw?
And finally, is there some kind of bullshido script that people refer to? Why is it that every time someone gets busted for inflating ranks a bunch of people pop up saying he’s a super master of fighting plus some kind of saint, so it’s ok if he lied?
Does this thread just act as a magnet for one post wonders?
Get it through your heads people, we don’t give a shit about your personal anecdotes regarding this guy. We care whether he is being truthful with his claims. So far there isn’t much in the way of evidence either way.
just a reply
Sir, I can see from your comments that you have no experience in real life confrontations, either sports or life threatning… When some one is standing in front of you talking about anything that you are familiariced with, you get to se if that person it’s right, wrong or if is B.S… You can be sure that liar or not, the tittles sharp claims to have or not, the man knows and is good in werever name you want to call the martial arts systems he teaches, and it has saved lifes… That is by far more than many instructors can expect of their teachings, so if you are smart (or experienced) you will have humility to take lessons from those who can teach you what you need to learn, eather is certified or not…
In real life, in real combat situations, tittles and certificates don’t make a difference, and so you gett to know people who can kick a certified or entittled martial arist’s or boxer’s ass without taking a single lesson …
Since I don’t know you, I couldn’t talk about your honor, but I can feel from your words some personal or unusual persistance to declare liar a man you don’t even know… I’m not in debt to that man, but I realice you are being un fair to some one who I respected not for his words or lies if you want, but for his actions I saw and the lifes I saved thanks to his teachings…
I don’t want to change someones mind or toughts about Sharpe, but to lett youknow that true or false, he has inspired and teached many people the propper way of life, the way of the warrior and his teachings (self learned or learned from Miyama Ryu) saved many lifes…
Please, save your comments cause I’m not interested in turning this into a girls fight or hate mail chain, take or refuse my comments as they come… with respect to some one who I don’t even know…
Best regards.
[quote=Kintanon;2380344]Does this thread just act as a magnet for one post wonders?
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Ditto. And I feel like I’ve been on some weird science fiction martial art flip out tour. Who the fuck are these people, and why do they care so much?
this is the strangest thread ever
And if that’s addressed to Kintanon… You are probably going to suffer.