i used to think it was hydrostatic shock but now i am not so sure. apparently the elasticity of tissue makes hydrostatic wave effect significantly less effect. the required displacement makes it unlikely that any injury would be caused.
but what about the fish?
it has to be tied in with the compression angle. maybe the overall mass displacement vies with their balance and resistance at the impact point.
this could explain the ‘depth’ quality.
does matter compress slower than water? and how does the elasticity of tissue affect (dampen) the palm strike?
‘internal’ palm strikes are often attributed with a ‘depth’ quality. this has been explained as the hydrostastic wave principle (shock). however, water and tissue are significantly different…i.e. elasticity. seemingly the elasticity would negate the hydrostatic displacement (you cant compress liquids).
but you can still fish with dynamite.
of course the level of power output is drastically different.
in any event i am looking for an explanation of depth hitting ala “Buddha Palm”.
First, hydrostatic shock is the effect commonly believed to be caused by a high velocity object entering a body, such as a bullet fired from a weapon. No blow, kick or strike made by a human can generate that sort of power concentrated in such a small area as a bullet does if I’m not mistaken.
Second, water is made out of matter.
Third, some materials can be reduced to a smaller volume under compressive stress. Water is virtually oblivious to compression - the key to hydraulics.
Last but not least, what the hell are we talking about here??? This thread is locked in a twilight zone :5eek:
That question is only relevant when talking about dense metal projectiles launched at high velocities such as bullets. Strikes generated by humans can’t generate such power, ergo, hydrostatic shock is not applicable (more on that latter…)
How did you measure that phenomenon every time you encountered? How do you differentiate actual fact from personal impression of things?
This is a statement, a logical sertion, a premise that says hydrostatic shock does play a role in palm strikes. That is in contradiction to the doubts you raised in the first sentence of your opening post… which I quote and highlight below…
Also, I did a quick google-fu on hydrostatic shock, and a lot of links say it’s a failed theory. But even if it were to be true, that could only apply to projectiles traveling at the speed of sound in water (1500 m/s)… no human strike can travel that fast… well, I think Goku and Vegeta can, but even then I have my doubts :tongue3: …
… this thread is definitely locked in a time/space singularity where nothing makes sense…
They can and must be negated for the fact that such vibrations are only relevant to impacts generated by high density projectiles traveling at the speed of sound under water which is 1500 m/s and which concentrate the pressure of impact on a very small area (such as a bullet).
In this dimension:
Bones and flesh do not have the same density as metal bullets do.
Hands, palms, fists, elbows, headbutts and kicks do not travel at speeds sufficiently high (1500m/s) to generate a shockwave water-based tissues.
The cross section of a palm is a lot larger than a bullet. Therefore, the surface area on which pressure is exerted is larger than the one generated by a bullet upon impact.
So given these three facts, and the fact that a projectile (be it a bullet or fist or ball of solidified poop) needs to travel at 1500m/s or more upon impact to generate a shockwave strong enough to overcome tissue elasticity which result in plastic deformation and tear, could you please explain why vibrations SHOULD NOT BE NEGATED when speaking about palm strikes when such as strike will never have an impact velocity of 1500m/s or higher and the human palm will never have the density of a metal projectile…