[QUOTE=Southpaw;2816789]That’s a good simple selection.
I think the ultimate point my instructor was making was that if I am in butterfly guard range in a self defense situation, something has majorly fucked up along the way. In other words focus on a guard where I control the distance more than one where I’ve already lost the distance battle.
At least that’s how I’m interpreting it. haha[/QUOTE]
A little ironic though considering a big advantage of bjj is learning to work from a point of disadvantage. The line of thinking to me would be equal to saying let’s not work on escaping the mount cause you already lost.
[QUOTE=goodlun;2816848]A little ironic though considering a big advantage of bjj is learning to work from a point of disadvantage. The line of thinking to me would be equal to saying let’s not work on escaping the mount cause you already lost.[/QUOTE]
No. That’s a horrible comparison.
The way I see it he is prioritizing what I focus on as I was admittedly trying to create some type of “base level” open guard.
[QUOTE=Southpaw;2816857]No. That’s a horrible comparison.
The way I see it he is prioritizing what I focus on as I was admittedly trying to create some type of “base level” open guard.[/QUOTE]
I don’t disagree with the concept of working on the fundamentals first. Its a very good idea. Yes you are probably better served at focusing on some other open guard stuff.
I just have a problem with this mentality in bjj is all “something has majorly fucked up along the way” . Especially because one of its strong point to me in relation to self defense is that we don’t assume your going to start in a good position.
So in a self defense situation where you get sucker punched or dropped to the floor and for what ever reason you can’t get a proper closed guard you have other weapons.
I am fairly sure you have been rolling where you can get a butterfly guard but not some of the other guards.
The thing about self defense is they dynamic nature of its start. Its not hey you ready to go and a fist bump. So being prepared from what ever position you can end up in is really important.
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I just have a problem with this mentality in bjj is all “something has majorly fucked up along the way” . Especially because one of its strong point to me in relation to self defense is that we don’t assume your going to start in a good position.
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I totally agree that we shouldn’t assume that we are going to end up in a good position, and that we should train scenarios where we aren’t in good positions. However, self defense is very often about distance management, and if you are in butterfly guard, something has gone wrong with distance management.
[QUOTE=Southpaw;2816881]I totally agree that we shouldn’t assume that we are going to end up in a good position, and that we should train scenarios where we aren’t in good positions. However, self defense is very often about distance management, and if you are in butterfly guard, something has gone wrong with distance management.[/QUOTE]
I don’t disagree with the concept of ended up in butterfly guard is the result of poor distant management.
I disagree with brushing it off because of it.
Mostly because it is the solution to prior poor distance management its what saves your ass in that case.
Isn’t that what the very essence of self defense is about? Saving your ass when shit went wrong?
I think you’ll appreciate this Southpaw. 7:00 minute mark.
Listen to the commentary, especially.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jel2u2gQnso&feature=player_detailpage#t=419