well that’s just a flaw in the style and should be rounded out by learning how to punch when you’re on the ground and someone is on top of you 
That’s one issue i have with alot of styles, even my own. They focus so much on certain things that they lack in others to a degree that it can become an issue.
Holy shit. I think I should get back to the technique forums.
I was being sarcastic in reference to another thread, if you are under someone your top priority should be 1. not eat a KO punch/kick 2. get the fuck out of being under. NOT trying to punch up.
[quote=dwkfym;2402743]Holy shit. I think I should get back to the technique forums.
I was being sarcastic in reference to another thread, if you are under someone your top priority should be 1. not eat a KO punch/kick 2. get the fuck out of being under. NOT trying to punch up.[/quote]
obviously lol, doesn’t change the fact you should know how to punch up if the situation requires it.
Are you learning to punch up at someone on top of you in shotokan?
[quote=blood riot iori;2402729]
That’s one issue i have with alot of styles, even my own. [/quote]
the answer to your question can be found in my previous post that you were attempting to make fun of i’m willing to bet
To answer your question though, no, we have not. I have however learned it doing MMA, as well as having some common freaking sense and knowing that i’m not always going to be in a standing position, and i damn well better know how to hit someone in all situations.
[quote=blood riot iori;2449078]the answer to your question can be found in my previous post that you were attempting to make fun of i’m willing to bet
To answer your question though, no, we have not. I have however learned it doing MMA, as well as having some common freaking sense and knowing that i’m not always going to be in a standing position, and i damn well better know how to hit someone in all situations.[/quote]
The point is that punching up can often get you armbarred if you are underneath someone while in side mount or proper mount. If you’re training MMA you should know this.
Punching from the guard position, while not as dangerous, is not particularly effective. Elbows to the head seem to be the most effective strikes from the guard, although that’s generally not something you train everyday.
It is hilarious how my intended joke ended up like this. I wasn’t trying to bait anyone… seriously??
Being able to strike from bottom position will NOT:
Striking from bottom position WILL
When you are on bottom position king of fighter, and you have any damn common sense, you better be training on how to get out of bottom position and not how to punch from bottom. Or maybe you don’t need that skill since you seem to be the crazed version of this guy:
Most fights do not involve guns, particularly in the UK. The majority of brawls on the street are fist fights, hence boxing is very handy in those situations.
I actually find that knives are very common…
E.g. pretty much never ever.
What you mean I am not going to knock the guy out who is on top of me with an arm strength only punch?
[quote=dwkfym;2449427]It is hilarious how my intended joke ended up like this. I wasn’t trying to bait anyone… seriously??
Being able to strike from bottom position will NOT:
Striking from bottom position WILL
When you are on bottom position king of fighter, and you have any damn common sense, you better be training on how to get out of bottom position and not how to punch from bottom. Or maybe you don’t need that skill since you seem to be the crazed version of this guy:
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have you ever actually been in a fight? I’m not talking about a prearranged fight where 2 people agree they will be punching and kicking each other, i’m talking about a real “i want your money bitch, give it to me” “fuck you i’m not giving you anything” brawl ensues situation? I’m guessing not, infact i’m willing to bet money that most of the people on here haven’t.
Do not knock something until you’re forced to try it yourself. It worked just fine when i had to do it, and that was before i even actually concerned myself with “learning how”. I like how you guys think you have to actually be taught everything or else it’s no good lol.
If i were to hit you the same way i hit the guy i actually HAD to punch from the ground, i guarantee you it’d more then save my ass. You guys try to make me out to be stupid or something, it’s just a shame in the process you’re showing me you don’t know as much about fighting as you think you do, and again i mean actually fighting, not combat sports.
and fyi, the picture you linked to IS the crazed version of Iori. Get your video game references right
Oh god. Not this shit again.
Yes because the guy on the street punching up at me after I have already taken control of the fight and have him on his back on the ground is so much more dangerous than the athlete who has has trained hard and is at his peak and punches up at me. Yep that arm bar all of a sudden just magically stops working despite having been used again and again against people who know how to grapple.
Please sir teach me the errors of my ways.
what shit is that? You think because YOU don’t know how to throw a punch with more then just arm strength from the ground that other people don’t?
I’m just stating a fact, nothing more nothing less, do with it what you will, and in your case it appears you’re choosing to disregard it, so w/e makes you happy.
[quote=goodlun;2450921]Yes because the guy on the street punching up at me after I have already taken control of the fight and have him on his back on the ground is so much more dangerous than the athlete who has has trained hard and is at his peak and punches up at me. Yep that arm bar all of a sudden just magically stops working despite having been used again and again against people who know how to grapple.
Please sir teach me the errors of my ways.[/quote]
the error of your ways is the fact you don’t think before you talk, i’ve noticed that alot here.
Did i say i was fighting a trained guy? Did i say i was well versed in grappling at the time? No, i did not. He hit me, knocked me down, got on top of me, and i hit him hard enough to end the scenario. I trained shotokan, i was taught to strike, and that’s what i did. Why is that so impossible to believe? If you had any kind of respectful training, you wouldn’t be going out looking for an issue in the first place, and you could tell just by what i’m typing that i obviously didn’t put myself in that situation intentionally. Again this isn’t a combat sport situation, it’s someone attempting to hurt me beacuse he wants something i have, hitting me and knocking me on the ground and getting on top of me, and me taking advantage of that fact.
Next thing you’re gonna tell me is me elbowing you in the face on my back on the ground won’t work either lol.
[quote=blood riot iori;2450927]what shit is that? You think because YOU don’t know how to throw a punch with more then just arm strength from the ground that other people don’t?
I’m just stating a fact, nothing more nothing less, do with it what you will, and in your case it appears you’re choosing to disregard it, so w/e makes you happy.[/quote]
Perhaps I should spend more time learning to punch up than working on my knee escape.
Cause you know worrying about a broken arm in exchange of doing minor damage is far better than getting the person off of me.
Please where do I sign up to learn from your greatness
[quote=goodlun;2450931]Perhaps I should spend more time learning to punch up than working on my knee escape.
Cause you know worrying about a broken arm in exchange of doing minor damage is far better than getting the person off of me.
Please where do I sign up to learn from your greatness[/quote]
you have to be able to see in order to sign up for something generally, and to do that you’d have to get your head out of your ass, i hear it’s awfully dark up there.
Do you honestly think…HONESTLY THINK, that 95% of the people who put someone in a situation like that guy put me on know how the fuck to break someone’s arm on the ground, let alone actually be skilled at fighting in the first place? Son i am disappoint.
Again, stop thinking with your combat sport mentality, and come back and talk to me about hitting someone up from the ground when your life is in danger after you actually find yourself in that situation. Till then, keep playing theory fighter, i’m not really impressed either way.
Would i throw punches at someone from the ground that i had agreed to fight or spar with? Probably not. Would i do it to some random moron who thought it was a good idea to hit me and try to steal my lunch moneyz? Absolutely.
I also find it interesting that you talk about minor damage from a punch. You must punch like a girl if you think a punch from the ground only delivers minor damage…seriously. Go study a style that teaches you to actually use body mechanics behind your punches then try hitting someone from the ground again and learn to pull your arm back fast enough where someone isn’t going to be grabbing it, then we’ll talk. Haymakers r’ us isn’t the store you want to be shopping at.
[quote=blood riot iori;2450927]what shit is that? You think because YOU don’t know how to throw a punch with more then just arm strength from the ground that other people don’t?
I’m just stating a fact, nothing more nothing less, do with it what you will, and in your case it appears you’re choosing to disregard it, so w/e makes you happy.[/quote]
Going passive-aggressive doesn’t work on me, y’know.
Go do some Chun and change tampons, Sally. You’ll feel better.
[quote=helmutlvx;2450933]Going passive-aggressive doesn’t work on me, y’know.
Go do some Chun and change tampons, Sally. You’ll feel better.[/quote]
nothing works on ANYONE over the internet 
I’ll be sure to make a note of what does or doesn’t work on you so that the next time we talk i can do my best to give a crap.
Come to the gym I train at.
We’ll have a long chat about what works and what doesn’t.