My favorite grips

That’s actually quite catchy.

If your left hand control your opponent’s right arm (or grab on his right sleeve). your right hand grab on his “right” lapel (not the usual left lapel), and your right fore arm press on your opponent’s throat, across his chest, and your right elbow control his left shoulder, you may give your opponent a lot of trouble.

To hold on the center of your opponent’s belt in front of him may also give him a lot of trouble.

Excised from: Heirarchy of Gi grips - No BS Martial Arts

csc, it’s nice you decided to share your preferred grips, but that doesn’t really contribute any knowledge toward your personal preferences as far as grip hierarchy is concerned. Therefore I trollshido’d your post.

May be the question that you want to ask is what grip position will give your opponent the most trouble?

The center belt grip in front of your opponent will definitely fall into that category.

If your left hand control his right arm (or grab on his right sleeve), your right hand grab on his “right” lapel (not left lapel as normal grip), your right forearm across his throat, press across his chest, and your right elbow control his left shoulder, you may give your opponent some trouble there.

Just thought I would share that the above is an illegal grip if you hold it for more than 5 seconds.

As to the OP, I would refute your claim about wrestling ties not being used by Judoka. My personal favorite grip is an inside bicep tie with my left and an underhook/lapel grip with my right, which is very much a no-gi compatible grip. Grips of this type also seem to be favored by the russians in my club, who use them to set up fireman’s carries. I personally use it for its easy transistion to a straight double/morote gari, a duck under to my version of a tani otoshi or ura nage, or a hari goshi on the other side. I am trying to also work tai otoshi in there too, so we will see.

He was asking about “wrestling” and not Judo.

I assume this thread is for BJJ, Sambo, Judo, etc. I assume all grappling arts should be included such as western wrestling and Chinese Shuai Chiao.

The same side arm and lapel hold is a perfect legal hold in Shuai Chiao (SC) and it’s called “偏门 (Pian Men) - side door control”. It’s used for “side door leg block”, “front cut”, “inner hook”, “outer hook”, …

In SC, The center belt hold is also used for throws such as “waist lifting sweep”, “waist holding leg lift”, “3 sections control”, …

If you are talking about no-gi then you are talking about grappling in general. The word “rule” should not be an important concern here but whether it’s effective in combat or not (whether you can give your opponent as much trouble as possible).

[quote=csc;2142566]He was asking about “wrestling” and not Judo.

I assume this thread is for BJJ, Sambo, Judo, etc. I assume all grappling arts should be included such as western wrestling and Chinese Shuai Chiao.

If you are talking about no-gi then you are talking about grappling in general. The word “rule” should not be an important concern here but whether it’s effective in combat or not (whether you can give your opponent as much trouble as possible).[/quote]

Whoa brother, I didn’t mean any offense. From the tone of your post and the preponderance of the replies I assumed you were talking solely judo.

I would still refute that wrestling grips have no place once you put a gi/kurta/shuai chiao jacket on. As a former wrestler who is moderately successful using traditionally western wrestling techniques in judo, I would contend that the tradional wrestling tie ups have a very big place in judo, especially when it comes to defense. An inside bicep tie is great at preventing the othrer player from establishing a lapel or wrist grip, while still giving you all the control of a traditional tricep sleeve grab.

I didn’t take it as offense at all. It may be confuse to discuss sport and combat at the same time. There is always a reason that why certain move is illegal in sport. The interest thing is those moves usually have higher combat value (such as Kawazu gake - my favor move).

This is why it’s more fun to talk about the grappling arts in general. Nobody will say that you can’t do this and you can’t do that. Even if you want to kick somone’s head when he is down, that will be an excellent “finish” move IMO.

There is no right or wrong in opinions but different angles to look at the same thing.

[quote=csc;2142852]I didn’t take it as offense at all. It may be confuse to discuss sport and combat at the same time. There is always a reason that why certain move is illegal in sport. The interest thing is those moves usually have higher combat value (such as Kawazu gake - my favor move).

This is why it’s more fun to talk about the grappling arts in general. Nobody will say that you can’t do this and you can’t do that. Even if you want to kick somone’s head when he is down, that will be an excellent “finish” move IMO.[/quote]
I get that your trying to contribute productively to the thread, but your posts are still too far off the topic of Grip Hierarchy to remain in the thread.

Saying, “These are the grips I prefer because they’re effective.” is a fine statement, but the paucity of grips mentioned in your posts leave no room for an actual hierarchy.

[quote=jnp;2142865]I get that your trying to contribute productively to the thread, but your posts are still too far off the topic of Grip Hierarchy to remain in the thread.

Saying, “These are the grips I prefer because they’re effective.” is a fine statement, but the paucity of grips mentioned in your posts leave no room for an actual hierarchy.[/quote]

I think the point I was trying to make was that there is NO hierarchy, and that there is only a series of grips that are salient to whatever your favorite series of techniques are. I was also trying to point out the inaccuracy of the OP’s statement that grips favored in no gi have no place in gi grappling. I did this by pointing out that my two favorite grips are interchangeable with only minor modification.

Just sayin, I believe I still belong in the good thread

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