What is point sparring?
I remember it now. Taught me bad habits like sacrificing power and committing the attack for speed.
What is point sparring?
I remember it now. Taught me bad habits like sacrificing power and committing the attack for speed.
[quote=Smoke;2500736]What is point sparring?
I remember it now. Taught me bad habits like sacrificing power and committing the attack for speed.[/quote]
The OP seems like a decent sort, and isn’t interested in your problems with point sparring. Granted, this is YMAS, but it doesn’t hurt to post on topic.
Edit: You’ve got experience with it, have you not? Why not share some experiences in relation to competing? I am sure the OP is well aware of the fact that he is not training himself and his kids to become fighting gods.
I feel maofas does a good job of sharing a balanced assessment of the issues related to regular training/sparring versus competing for points.
[quote=Kaffe;2500742]The OP seems like a decent sort, and isn’t interested in your problems with point sparring. Granted, this is YMAS, but it doesn’t hurt to post on topic.
Edit: You’ve got experience with it, have you not? Why not share some experiences in relation to competing? I am sure the OP is well aware of the fact that he is not training himself and his kids to become fighting gods.
I feel maofas does a good job of sharing a balanced assessment of the issues related to regular training/sparring versus competing for points.[/quote]
The problem with today’s point sparring is it’s too controlled. Granted it teaches speed, agility and reflexes, it teaches bad habits, like I said.
The other problem is the emphasis on protection. The last tournament I was at body armor, head, foot, and hand gear were required, but I kept getting penalized because I kept hitting the head. Yes, in beginners/intermediate point sparring, hitting the head isn’t allowed. If they see you come inches within the head, they’ll count it as a point. This was back when I was a green/brown belt.
Granted in black belt sparring, you can hit harder, but then again, there is still such thing as “excessive contact.”
It all looks the same. One person attacks, other person runs back defending and then eventually drives the other person back and forth.
Don’t get me wrong, those guys are quick as hell, but is there power?
Unless your goals are just to become a complete fighter than just become decent at Krotty, why spend all that jazz to learn point sparring?
Paying $80 in foam dipped gear and an extra $20 for a mouth guard and jock strap gets expensive when you can only hit the person once.
When in reality, you can just learn to box for even cheaper and still learn the timing, footwork, and full contact aspect, without worrying about “excessive contact” bull shit.
I still don’t understand it though. They have all this gear so people don’t get “hurt”, but then again, you still see plenty of little kids at Muay Thai and Western Boxing gyms. That argument is moot.
In Isshinryu, we never did point sparring. Mind you, we used foam dipped gear, but at least we had 1-2 minute bouts.
Point sparring isn’t what it used to be, back when JKA style was alive or when Elewyn Hall was still competing.
When I have kids, I’m going to teach them Kyokushin, or take them to a Judo school.
I have training in Point Karate (we used to call it Sport Karate), in Seido Juku Karate-do, and in kickboxing taekwondo, and in continuous full-contact hapkido.
Point Karate has it’s use, esp. if they allow light head/face punches. Getting used to Point karate sparring only could give you and your children dangerous delusions about self-defense.
Since speed and a “clean” tag are valued, the front-leg kicks (heel side, head high round-house, or high hook) are useful to setup or disrupt, followed by rear-leg front or round – pause – then setup on quick turn back kick heel counter.
Kicking with the heel, such as the front-leg side kick, will ward off Point Fighters, allowing you more respectful distance from the pain created by the un-padded heel, BUT, you must drill to kick FAST.
PHYSICAL training: Get a chair, with the back as closes to you as you can, in front of a mirrior, and practice chamber the front-leg side kick high up to your chest then kick out, contact ranging from slightly above the belt up to their chin, back and forth: do this about 10,000 times (not kidding) over weeks and you’ll have fast hard hitting front-leg side kick.
MENTAL training: To improve awareness, get a “zafu” pillow and sit in meditation, zazen. Read “Zen in the Martial Arts” by jujitsu-ka and Soto Zen teacher late Taishen Deshimaru for elite samurai, non-sports, martial mindset and awareness training…
osu
p.s. my son does jiu-jitsu (BJJ) only: judo, jujitsu or BJJ are excellent bushido training, to keep in mind for you/r children’s futures cross-training, but never quit on karate or taekwondo training. learning how to take a fall has served me well.
[quote=Kaffe;2500742]The OP seems like a decent sort, and isn’t interested in your problems with point sparring. Granted, this is YMAS, but it doesn’t hurt to post on topic.
Edit: You’ve got experience with it, have you not? Why not share some experiences in relation to competing? I am sure the OP is well aware of the fact that he is not training himself and his kids to become fighting gods.
I feel maofas does a good job of sharing a balanced assessment of the issues related to regular training/sparring versus competing for points.[/quote]Alright I’m culling this and moving it to newbietown. Your post is not better than Smoke’s post.
[quote=Smoke;2500772]The problem with today’s point sparring is it’s too controlled. Granted it teaches speed, agility and reflexes, it teaches bad habits, like I said.
The other problem is the emphasis on protection. The last tournament I was at body armor, head, foot, and hand gear were required, but I kept getting penalized because I kept hitting the head. Yes, in beginners/intermediate point sparring, hitting the head isn’t allowed. If they see you come inches within the head, they’ll count it as a point. This was back when I was a green/brown belt.
Granted in black belt sparring, you can hit harder, but then again, there is still such thing as “excessive contact.”
It all looks the same. One person attacks, other person runs back defending and then eventually drives the other person back and forth.
Don’t get me wrong, those guys are quick as hell, but is there power?
Unless your goals are just to become a complete fighter than just become decent at Krotty, why spend all that jazz to learn point sparring?
Paying $80 in foam dipped gear and an extra $20 for a mouth guard and jock strap gets expensive when you can only hit the person once.
When in reality, you can just learn to box for even cheaper and still learn the timing, footwork, and full contact aspect, without worrying about “excessive contact” bull shit.
I still don’t understand it though. They have all this gear so people don’t get “hurt”, but then again, you still see plenty of little kids at Muay Thai and Western Boxing gyms. That argument is moot.
In Isshinryu, we never did point sparring. Mind you, we used foam dipped gear, but at least we had 1-2 minute bouts.
Point sparring isn’t what it used to be, back when JKA style was alive or when Elewyn Hall was still competing.
When I have kids, I’m going to teach them Kyokushin, or take them to a Judo school.[/quote]
Good plan: “…going to teach them Kyokushin, or take them to a Judo…”