I think the problem here is often in definition.
To us, Wu Shu means Martal art. We diferentiate by calling real traditinal combat arts traditional Wu Shu, and the performing art contemparary Wu Shu.
Most Schools just advertise Wu Shu and you kind of have to be in the know to tell the differance.
Some Wu Shu school advertise Kung Fu.
Some Kung fu School teach some Wu Shu and some Wu Shu schools teach some Kung Fu.
you prety much have to be a part of the shool to know.
With MMA’s they don’t have that many options. With them, you can either fight, or you can fight, there is really no choice in the matter.
Also, with MMAs you either punch and kick (elbow too I guess) or you suggle on the gorund. in Kung Fu we can throw, trip, grapple standing up as well as kick and punch. plus our ground fighting is much more brutal and will often leave spinal injuries from the throws alone, let alone the dammage fist and feet raining down on a floored opponent will do. I’d like to see a BJJ guy survive getting thrown head first on the ground, and then have his ribs crushed by a full weight drop on the lower ribcage with the knee (Called a “Cage”). If one of us was psycotic enough to do that in the ring, your BJJ would be bleeding internally and the medics would be having to rush them to surgery to remove the chuncks of ribcaged from their lungs.
Ah my nemisis rears his head here as well!!! How have you been?
>Wushu actually means “martial art” while Kungfu means “hard work”. So saying Hung gar, Choy Lay Fut or even BJJ is wushu isn’t wrong. So the definition mixes people up
Let me set this straight. WUSHU means “MARTIAL METHODS” (It is the same characters as BUJUTSU in Japanese. the kanji for “ART” as in SKILL is different)
AGAIN, as I always say, “Don’t judge the ART. Judge the person.” There crappy pple in ALL MA as there are good pple. The truth is VERY FEW pple who train in MA are decent fighters.
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The truth is VERY FEW pple who train in MA are decent fighters.
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Asia, very true. This includes BJJ guys and Muy Tai guys as and MMA’s as well. In fact, I think it’s safe to say there are many more MMA’s that do badly at NHB fighting than anyone. It seems only a small few of them make it to the top.
“Also, with MMAs you either punch and kick (elbow too I guess) or you suggle on the gorund. in Kung Fu we can throw, trip, grapple standing up as well as kick and punch. plus our ground fighting is much more brutal and will often leave spinal injuries from the throws alone, let alone the dammage fist and feet raining down on a floored opponent will do. I’d like to see a BJJ guy survive getting thrown head first on the ground, and then have his ribs crushed by a full weight drop on the lower ribcage with the knee (Called a “Cage”). If one of us was psycotic enough to do that in the ring, your BJJ would be bleeding internally and the medics would be having to rush them to surgery to remove the chuncks of ribcaged from their lungs.”
Ahh, the typical ‘My art’s too dangerous’ argument.
Taekwondo, useless? That’s not proven yet. I watched the video clip here and it clearly shows that the taekwondoist couldn’t win 'cause he has improper usage of techniques. The Muay Thai dude came in to close range and only does about 2-3 moves to knock the Taekwondoist down. Read Musashi and the Book of Five Rings to see what I’m talking about. There is no martial arts supremency! Each had a history that shows how the art is used in order to do certain things like war, self-defense, or spiritual discipline.
Pretty much ALL Kung Fu sucks man. I know that you TRUELY want to believe that Monkey Kung Fu might be real in some distant reality but, SORRY, not only does it have NO value as a martial art but its practitioners look ridiculous when training in it.
I wonder what its going to take for people to understand that most of this shit is total garbage…
What if GOD came down to earth and listen an 11th commandment saying:
“Thou shalt not practice Kung Fu for it sucks in every concievable way.”
What would all these morons do then?
I know what they’d do; Tell God he should go fight Emin Boztepe.
Royal Dragon is one funny mutherfukker, huh? He sounds like he’s describing a fight scene from Iron Monkey.
I got a question, genius. You say Kung Fu has everything from poking the eyes, to throwing, to the launch codes for the United States nuclear arsenal, but practice mainly in striking. How the hell is a Kung Fu person who hardly ever practices throwing techniques(in a realistic manner) ever possibly going to throw someone who spends the majority of his time clinching, throwing, and wrestling?
This nut comes across like Don King: “How is da graplla gonna be able to survive Iron Mike Tyson pickin him up and throwin him down…”.
He wouldnt have to survive that because Iron Mike could never outgrapple a grappler. All of a sudden every Kung Fu weirdo claims hes been doing Mongolian Wrestling for half of his life. Or Turkish wrestling. Or Shui Chiao. Meanwhile half a lifetime in ALL of those things plus a quarter would even get you a pack of bubblegum.
Cant you guys stick to watching Kung Fu Theatre and buttering your own popcorn? Shave your head, learn to meditate, buy yourself some robes, learn Tai Chi, buy yourself a friggin Bonzai Tree and im sure you’ll be immediately respected in your comminity as a person of much cultural awareness.
THE SHID DONT WORK! ITS A BUNCH OF BOOLSHIT!
Anyone from those arts who can fight well does so out of personal toughness and athleticism and would be the same way with or without his or her useless movements.
Edited by - PeedeeShaolin on July 23 2002 14:07:48
I dunno. I’ve seen plenty of BJJ types catch a nasty beating. Sure they can take someone down and submit them in about 2 seconds, but two seconds is all his buddies need to run over and kick mr BJJ’s face inside out. Oh, and I’m not sure that your average MMA guy is really all that equipped for ‘when things go down’. I mean outside of venice beach -and the ring-, where are you going to find two large, angry, juiced up men in a pair of speedos looking to kick the piss out of each other? It all boils down to the quality of training, not so much the art. Ring fighting isn’t the same as street fighting. There are knives and bats and sticks involved, not to mention alchahol, coke, and PCP. Oh, and whomever spoke poorly of Aikido needs to find an accomplished Aikidoka and say that to his face.
good point Iain
each and every fighter developes his or her own styly regardless of what style?i train with fighters and hit them because i know their patterns…ever see the K-1??each fighter has a fav. techniq(peter aerts-left high kick/right hook)(ernesto hoost-l.jab/r.hook/low l.kick)each fighter uses techiqes that work for them!!..not every move they have learned their whole life works.If any fighter that steppes into a compatition gets his ass handed to him it’s not his style that failes him(exception:fred ettish)its mainly his lack of preperation and lack of knowladge…as the saying goes practice makes perfect??
Yeah, but the Aikido guy will do that whole ‘inner tranqil peace I am at one with the universe’ shtick, which inevitably makes the verbal assailant more angry because he can’t get a rise out of him, buddy takes a swing at the guy with the funny skirt on and BANG!.. his arm is broken in three places.
Aikido guys aren’t all like that anyway. I remember when my friend (a yodan now, I think a Shodan at the time) had a chance meeting with the fellow who beat up his sister. He spent five minutes breaking each of the guys fingers one by one.
“Pretty much ALL Kung Fu sucks man. I know that you TRUELY want to believe that Monkey Kung Fu might be real in some distant reality but, SORRY, not only does it have NO value as a martial art but its practitioners look ridiculous when training in it.”
In the S.E. Asian open martial arts tournaments held in the 70s and 80s, which were all full contact, the most dominant fighters were from Choy Lay Fut and Monkey…yes, Monkey style Kung Fu.
I hate to argue with the grapplers/wrestlers of the world, but I feel I must point out one place where you are mistaken about your art. Your art is not a battle field art. It is a single person fight scenario. Granted, you’ll take the TKD dude down to the ground, and pummel the shit out of him. But what are you doing about his buddy that’s kicking you in the face while you’ve got a lock on his friend? “Iron Monkey” arts like Kung Fu, TKD, etc., are meant for multiple attacker scenarios. You go to the ground when you’re fighting three people at a time, and I dont care if you are Royce Gracie, you’re gonna get your head knocked off.
Now, before you go off half-cocked and say I don’t know what I’m talking about, there are two things you should consider. One, I wrestled for 8 years, and two, I have studied Kung Fu for 6. If I were in a fight against a single individual, I would take them to the ground and kick their ass. Why not? But if I were in a fight with multiple people, I would do my best to not go to the ground, because I’d be very vunerable once I got there.
>Your art is not a battle field art. It is a single person fight scenario.
This is wrong. Grappling is historically the first art developed in ANY country. It was know to be taught to soldiers FOR battlefeild use. Later it became sport. Same with boxing. Many grappling arts deal with multiple opponents. I site Japanese Jujutsu, Vajra Mushti (not its original name but easier to spell), Ancient Roman and Greek wrestling. Research these things yourself and you see that I am write. If you want I can send you scans from picts I took while in Greece to research the MA history.
Not to harp on you Groganer, but wrestling for 8 years and KNOWING the history is two differnt things. What you are talking about is the MODERN veiw of these things.
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