Matthew Steel's gym badmouthed, poster retracts comments

Hi all from Aussie-Land and potential attendees of this gym. I just wanted to inform you of the McDojo that has popped up in recent times owned by the fellow mentioned above. Matt claims he is a black belt in Tohkon Ryu Jiu Jitsu, Judo and Karate. His premises are an absolute shamble with rubbish, building gear here there and everywhere, the toilet facilities are a disgrace and have been cause for potential female students to not return and the place stinks in general.

I have been to view his classes (MMA, Karate, Judo, BJJ) and of the three former options that he teaches I would have to inform everyone that this would not be a good place to train at. The BJJ class is taken by Shane Poppleton and ran very well and would be the only commendation i have on this place (and the standard of hygiene these guys hold for themselves and the mats they roll on). Matt himself trains in their class on occasion and on more than one occasion has caused injury to a person by either neck cranking them with can openers or squeezing their face like a zit.

Having also gone through his website I see no link to where his qualifications come from and the “combined martial arts” website for which his karate gis are from do not have him mentioned as a black belt instructor.

Hopefully my post can assist people who considered attending here a bit open eyed as to the quality of this place before they get roped into signing with him on a direct debit contract.

Cheers all!

Ronin

I think it would be a wise move to go back to this forums front page and read the stickies.

Just incase i’ll dump one here for you.

STICKY #1

Ronin, in general this post in going to land you in trouble, brother.

So, first and foremost - why is this guy on your radar? Did you want to train with him? Do you have any reason for a bias against him - any business dealings/competition, school competition, etc…?

[QUOTE=Ronin_;2713870]Matt claims he is a black belt in Tohkon Ryu Jiu Jitsu, Judo and Karate.
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So, you leave us to infer he is not. The real question is, why do you think he is lying?

Also, where does he make these claims? Do you have any documentation that he states he has a dan ranking in Judo and Karate?

Once you have that documentation, there will be national bodies for Judo, and possibly the style of Karate he has a black belt in, where you can validate his claims.

Frankly, prior to lodging a claim you should have done this legwork.

His premises are an absolute shamble with rubbish, building gear here there and everywhere, the toilet facilities are a disgrace and have been cause for potential female students to not return and the place stinks in general.

Which female students? Basically, this is just hearsay. As for the gym stinking… well, I’ve been to several good boxing gyms that could qualify for EPA superfund money… But, so long as the training is good, I did not care.

It also looks like his gym is still being built, which he advertises pretty clearly on his website. Maybe you should cut him a bit of slack on this one.

I have been to view his classes (MMA, Karate, Judo, BJJ) and of the three former options that he teaches I would have to inform everyone that this would not be a good place to train at.

Okay, good to know you went to see him. But you really should give a whole lot more detail. And just because you wouldn’t like to train there, doesn’t make this guy a fraud. At this point, this is more of a bad review, than a “fraud.”

Also, did you talk to him while you were visiting? Get his lineage? How about the style of karate he is a dan in? What were the classes like, formats, warmup, etc…?

Finally, from the website (which you failed to post) http://itsmykarate.com, it looks like they only offer Kids Karate, BJJ, and MMA classes… where did you see a Judo class?

The BJJ class is taken by Shane Poppleton and ran very well and would be the only commendation i have on this place (and the standard of hygiene these guys hold for themselves and the mats they roll on).

So, the BJJ class is good and the mats are in good order. Again, this is more of a review type issue than anything related to fraud.

Matt himself trains in their class on occasion and on more than one occasion has caused injury to a person by either neck cranking them with can openers or squeezing their face like a zit.

Is he there in his capacity as an instructor, or is he training himself? If he’s an instructor, and he’s cranking people its dick behavior, and if he’s a student its borderline dick behavior. Still not fraud.

Having also gone through his website I see no link to where his qualifications come from and the “combined martial arts” website for which his karate gis are from do not have him mentioned as a black belt instructor.

How about a link, and why the hell is an equipment manufacturer the certifying body you actually check?

Hopefully my post can assist people who considered attending here a bit open eyed as to the quality of this place before they get roped into signing with him on a direct debit contract.

So basically, this is just a review. A really, really poorly written review. There are two places that you allow us to infer that he may be unqualified, but you have failed to do the legwork to substantiate any of these allegations.

Do the legwork, and then look at the reviews section of this site, and post the relevant information where it belongs.

If this seems like I’m being hard on you, well, I am. This thread is already first or second when you search google for his school… If you want to post a bad review… fine… there are portions of the this site dedicated to that. But calling him a fraud is another thing altogether.

Well, the only thing left to say is provide proof of your allegations. All the other issues have been covered.

[QUOTE=JohnKenner;2713955]Also, where does he make these claims? Do you have any documentation that he states he has a dan ranking in Judo and Karate?

Once you have that documentation, there will be national bodies for Judo, and possibly the style of Karate he has a black belt in, where you can validate his claims.
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Indeed there are. The Judo Federation of Australia - Queensland (http://www.jfaq.com.au/) will be able to verify a black belt in Judo.

Also, Tohkon Ryu Jujitsu (https://www.facebook.com/TohkonRyuJuJitsu/info) is a style headed by Shihan Mark Hasemen (who is a registered instructor with the World Ju Jitsu Federation and Vice President of the Australian Ju Jitsu Association), who still runs classes out of the Lang Park PCYC and will be able to verify any black belts registered in his style.

No doubt it will be the same with the purported style of karate.

hello all. i am Mathew Steel from Family Karate Centre. first of all ill keep this brief as i have my lawyer looking into this post. 2nd thing is what a load of croak. this poster has no clue or idea what he is on about, 3rd things he or she has lied here, and dropped names and made claims about me or the centre,that i, or anyone here has never claimed. 4th thing is there information is about 6 months out of date and some even more. i will give a brief description of the club and my training and qualifications, but not because i have to, im glad to do it. i won’t go into full details as stated i have my lawyer looking into this, as there is the possibility of fraud and slander in this post.

for starters there is several combined martial arts in Australia. no where in this centre or in the gym next door is there anything to do with combined martial arts. i was going to open a school under their organisation and i had started to buy the area but we pulled about 6 months ago or even longer. there is no logos, uniforms or anything with this name at the centre. ( i also spent nearly 18 months with the main club there teaching and running senior classes as well as being the main mma instructor for a while ). i was given my 4th dan in shotokan from the shihan there but i wont go into that here.

another thing i train about 6 out of every 8 bjj classes run here at the centre, to help improve my ground game, and the instructor here would not allow any student to just use neck cranks or the like, and i myself do not “just use” those techniques, in fact if i do, i let go and try for something else. i think that by now i must have a few more techniques to use, or maybe im just too plain stupid to learn any… also shane was recommend TO ME from there my instructor.

i wont go into the toilets, hygiene or what ever else he is claiming, except how does one instructor have it clean one day and then it smells or have bad toilets the next, then clean the next day, then dirty the next… shane dose not clean the centre, WE DO, and have 2 different people in over the 4 nights to clean up, as well as i do about 5 plus hours a week. shane sprays down the matts after class, and we do as well, in fact i just spent $150 on commerical grade disenfecant and other cleaning products just recently.

as for my training qualifications, their on the wall, at the font counter, and no where does it say im a black belt in judo, tohkon ryu, or others that have been mention.

if he/she looked closer they would see that my belt in both judo and tohkon ryu both state my belt ranks on the certificates. They didn’t even look or ask me. On the wall IS my teaching licence for japan, my 2nd dan and 4th dan from japan. as well as my cert 3 is sports coaching, also my cert 4 in fitness. i have my 4th dan in japanese ju jutsu, and ninjutsu ( bujinkan ). i also have trained in Kyokushin ( brown belt) under edde emin when i was a kid. got my black belt and first dan with a school that i wont mention here, but there name is on this site and well known ( i left them 20 years ago). then i trained in many styles that will take forever to mention here. i have trained, taught kids, adults, other instructors, competed at black belt level ( some i won and some i lost), was the head referee for the year for one division. was a referee for every other division, and still compete. i has my students are we are growing every month as a school, and even though this is my 30th year of training, i still put on a white belt twice a week for grappling class. on the net there is photos, videos and many other things about our school here. my old school i was teaching at, the tournaments and like.

i hope this will settle the matter, as there is a lot i have not put up due to my lawyer telling to hold it in case of legal action.

if anyone wants to contact me or ask questions go ahead. i will even take some photos of the centre ( and the toilets???) and of my certificates.

its just sad, that people post things in which they have not done their research, let alone of what damage it could do to someone’s business or reputation. i have a feeling that this post could be from another school, but im not sure. so therefore i will say nothing on it…

thank you. family karate centre…

To all that have read this post I wish to say I am sorry for expressing what I have said. I look back on what I have written and the consequences of a seriously bad day lead me to be rude and disrespectful towards Matthew.

Matthew I am sorry and I will speak with you personally myself. I let some personal things occuring to me that day were the straw that broke the proverbial horses back. As I said i shall speak with you personally myself and I truly am sorry to you. You don’t deserve it, you are a nice guy and truth be told i tried to make a visit to your gym at 9:30 this evening but you must have just shut up shop and gone home. I will see you either tomorrow or wednesday.

To a Moderator/Admin may you remove my topic as no one needs to see this crap.

sincerely.

The fuck just happened here?

[QUOTE=family karate;2717129]hello all. i am Mathew Steel from Family Karate Centre. i will give a brief description of the club and my training and qualifications, but not because i have to, im glad to do it.
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Matthew, welcome to bullshido. I for one, wanted you to respond, and was looking for your email on your two sites. I would have called, but I’m based in the states.

You certainly do not owe us anything; I for one though, appreciate you responding, and thank you for your time.

another thing i train about 6 out of every 8 bjj classes run here at the centre, to help improve my ground game, and the instructor here would not allow any student to just use neck cranks […] also shane was recommend TO ME from there my instructor.

Seems reasonable. I also looked Shane up online - plenty of competition footage, etc. Good stuff.

i hope this will settle the matter

Really, IMHO, there was nothing to settle. The OP made a whole lot of unfounded allegations. It is nice that you responded, but like you said, completely unnecessary.

its just sad, that people post things in which they have not done their research, let alone of what damage it could do to someone’s business or reputation.

Yeah, this kind of thing is unfortunate. You said you might scan some certificates and then upload them here? Might I suggest that instead you provide a comprehensive bio for yourself and the rest of the staff on your site, and then provide the link here.

Just my two cents.

Again, welcome to bullshido, thanks for the response, and best of luck in your business.

[QUOTE=Ronin_;2717134]To all that have read this post I wish to say I am sorry for expressing what I have said. I look back on what I have written and the consequences of a seriously bad day lead me to be rude and disrespectful towards Matthew.
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Seriously? You consider what you did only rude and disrespectful? You bashed the guy’s livelihood, because of a “bad day.”

And it isn’t like it was a momentary lapse of judgement either, you had to have a bit of a plan going on. You found this site, joined, and on your very first post managed to find the fraud and investigations forum.

To a Moderator/Admin may you remove my topic as no one needs to see this crap.

Don’t worry, I’ve already reported this post. Hopefully we end up in Trollshido, where the gloves come off.

sincerely.

I doubt the sincerity of anything you say.

Okay, as Bullshido co-counsel, I have read this thread and will be transfering it to Trollshido with a new title suitably dismissive towards the original poster.

Under Zaren v. AOL , 129 F.3d 327, (4th Circuit, 1997) Bullshido is a service provider and not the originator or creator of content published by registered members. That being said, we rarely if ever remove comment unless it is something like child porno.

To the offended party, please feel free to post some pictures of your dojo, re the cleanlyness issue as other posters rip into the original poster.

[QUOTE=Sam Browning;2717269]Okay, as Bullshido co-counsel, I have read this thread and will be transfering it to Trollshido with a new title suitably dismissive towards the original poster.

Under Zaren v. AOL , 129 F.3d 327, (4th Circuit, 1997) Bullshido is a service provider and not the originator or creator of content published by registered members. That being said, we rarely if ever remove comment unless it is something like child porno.

To the offended party, please feel free to post some pictures of your dojo, re the cleanlyness issue as other posters rip into the original poster.[/QUOTE]

Just letting everyone know, I will contact Matthew today and let him know of this result in case he doesn’t return before filing his grievance.

[QUOTE=battlefields;2717283]Just letting everyone know, I will contact Matthew today and let him know of this result in case he doesn’t return before filing his grievance.[/QUOTE]

Is he filing against Bullshido or against the OP? Or both?

Do you know this guy? (forgive my American geography, I have no idea if this guy is completely across OZ from you)

I’d love to know what started the OP off on this fucked up mission.

[QUOTE=battlefields;2717283]Just letting everyone know, I will contact Matthew today and let him know of this result in case he doesn’t return before filing his grievance.[/Quote] Woah Woah woah…Slow your roll. Contact Sam before you do anything and explain what you mean about filing. He doesn’t say that anywhere in his post.

Under American law he could only file successfully against the original poster who has also retracted which in American courts would greatly reduce his damages.

Even if he were to “win” a judgement in Australia against Bullshido we could, and would, contest any application of such a decision in the United States.

Woah woah woah, slow all your rolls. I just contacted him to let him know that the post has been moved. That’s it. There’s no filing going on. RELAX.

All is good, he was happy with the thread being moved, I explained the difference between MABS and Trollshido and had a quick chat about his school and that he can put up info and pics.

Seriously, RELAX.

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Seriously, RELAX.[/QUOTE]You accepted a staff tag, I’ll send you some links, some things suck for you now.

Okay.

[QUOTE=JohnKenner;2717285]Is he filing against Bullshido or against the OP? Or both?

Do you know this guy? (forgive my American geography, I have no idea if this guy is completely across OZ from you)

I’d love to know what started the OP off on this fucked up mission.[/QUOTE]

The gym is in Loganholme, which is a short drive down the highway (~30km) from the Brisbane CBD, so definitely in my neck of the woods.

There’s a good summary of Australian Defamation Laws here (noting that the states aligned their defamation legislation in 2006)

He is not taking legal action, people.