I swear, I love the art of Boxing. But I’m beginning to detest these guys, media and promoters of the sport who keep flapping their gums about MMA. This is either straight envy or an inferiority complex altogether.
Really, if they believe that their art SINGULARLY is so good, then step into the ring/octagon with one in their weight class and have at it.
With full MMA rules (since anyone on the street can do it), not modifying boxing rules like corny-ass Morrison did.
This is F’ing annoying.
I loved boxing for a long time. Even boxed myself, though very poorly. I especially loved when my Step-dad would take us across the border into Juarez to watch the fights. Those weren’t for the money, they were for the glory and they were awesome fights. MMA, for now and for me, has that same appeal for the time being. But just wait until the money catches up with the sport and we have to deal with the “Don Kings of MMA”. Boxing was great when it was a sport done for the pure love of the sport. That’s the appeal for me right now with MMA. I love the competition and the guys I train with love it to and we go out in front of our “podunk” hometown crowds and fight our fucking hearts out because we dig it for what it is. Not for a fucking paycheck.
Why is it when I want to give a positive varrot, I can’t?
I wished I had someone like you right beside me when stupid people start to say stupid things about things that they don’t know. I managed to “correct” a few, before word got out that I kinda owned loudmouths who tought they could fight, and they started talking low. The stupid remarks and opinions go on, just not so much in front of me…so I need a fresh face to own those dumb asses some more and show them the light.
Oh, and my striking sucks right now and I see it while I return to kickboxing. I suck and I still cant own them.
Those sorts of opinions from old time boxers are quite typical of the old guard. When the winds start changing you have all sorts of old timers saying that in their days, shit was tighter, guys were guys and beer was better. It’s the way it is…all around the world!
50 years ago you would ask anyone on the street who he tought was a bad ass and he/she would name a boxer, a wrestler or maybe a tma guy…and for some, the tma was a sort of a cheater because he would kick you in the face or the legs and use some sort of “asian trickery”, instead of a manly and dignified style of fighting represented by boxing or wrestling.
Maybe there wil be a time when we too will sound like old timers talking about Fedor, Randy, etc, and the scenery will be totally different.
Maybe we will sound something like this:
“Cybernetic fighting in zero gravity?! Please, you gotta be kidding me! In my day mma was all about the man, the real man, with real qualities and none of that nanomachine shit running trough their bodies. What’s the skill in that?”
Yea, but nanomachines are cheap.
The really sad thing is, these old timers are rushing to defend a sport that for the most part has fucked them over, leaving them debilitated and in a lot of cases penniless.
I love boxers. I hate boxing, every last corrupt shit filled fucking inch of it, you can quote me on that one Marv (you won that fight).
It’s easy to say “no skill goes into that” when one doesn’t know what one is looking at. For a boxer, seeing a scramble of arms and legs on the ground just doesn’t click with all that they’ve learned about winning a bout, so some will up and make such statements–that just reflects what they don’t know rather than what skills are “lacked” by MMA practitioners. That’s one reason why some in boxing will make such assertions. Ignorance is just that, nothing sinister.
What can be more worrying are those upper-ups in “athletics commissions” who have a say in what combat sports get legalized in which jurisdictions. What’s the background (and therefore the bread-and-butter loyalty) of many of them? Boxing. What’s MMA? Economic competition with their beloved boxing. Damn shame if bottom-line considerations keep MMA on the outs.
The Athletic Comissions, rulling out on mma leads to dumb results, dumb scoring and dumb rules. Submission atempts are not really apreciated because stricking is considered more dangerous which leads to strange scoring and I love it when they change the rules on the excuse that they are trying to protect the fighters…I see how they protect the boxers from managers, agents and brain lesions alright!:5wow:
I think you’ve got to take what Hagler said about MMA with a grain of salt. It seems to me like a footnote, an answer to a question tacked on to the end of a long interview. So what, he doesn’t like MMA. I don’t like baseball. We all have opinions, he’s got his, I have mine, so on and so forth.
"But why does he have to insult our sport! No respect!!" (insert whiny voice here)
Guys, get over it. This boxing versus MMA shit is getting old. I love both sports, but if I devoted my whole life to boxing like Hagler, and acheived that kind of greatness, I might talk some shit about MMA, too. I'm sure when Royce Gracie takes a few more shots to the head, he'll really let go and talk some shit about boxing. Who fucking cares, if you love the sport, just take it for what it is, train hard, and support it.
And yes, Hagler totally beat SRL.
No argument there, sashimi style, we all have our opinions and I’m a boxing fan too. What is bothersome is what occurs when uninformed-and-negative opinions are held by those who have the power to restrict a given sport in a given jurisdiction. Before such decisions are made, some of these athletic commissioners might at least want to learn a few things about the sport they’re opposing. Again, though, if they’re in with the boxing promoters, the bottom line may well dictate their decisions regardless of what they learn about MMA.
I give boxers shit when they give me shit. Period. And I’d expect the same from them if I were wagging my gums and talking shit about boxing. There are shit talkers on both sides and I agree that it’s getting old. But being that boxing is the established sport I’d expect these guys to take the higher road in this shit talking exchange. instead they are usually casting the first stone in the MMA vs Boxing debate. Seriously, if you claim to be a part of a superior more sophisticated sport then act it for fucks sake. Boxers and MMAist are one and the same, we just fight a lil different is all.
Expecting people to act like adults is a long wait for a train that don’t come.
Fuck, look at Sherdog. MMA nutriding alone is unbearable.
Nuttridding is something you’ll find anywhere…the guys who do grappling, the guys who do striking and and the guys who mix it all up! There are people that think that their grass is greener and they act the part by trashing people who like to do things in a different way. I for once, have a profound respect for the work ethic of the boxers, their techniques, and I would think twice before messing with one of them…at the same time I think you need standup grappling and ground grappling as a fighting too to be efective. Not one of the several sides of this dumb ass feud has all the answers…so I think it would be in the interest of the sport (mma) to crosspolinize and have better fighters. Me? I’m doing bjj and Muay Thai and I find them both excelent!
True, MMA fighters who “box” as part of their stand-up game do look silly to actual boxers. But what these boxers don’t understand is how multi-faceted MMA really is. They see, from their perspective, sloppy hands and a tackle to the ground then a pummel, but we fans and practitioners of MMA know that to be far from the truth.
If we know any boxer who thinks grappling is easy then all we have to do is invite him to one of our BJJ/Submission Wrestling practices and show them how much technique is actually involved. There are literally thousands of takedowns, holds, escapes, sweeps, and submissions. Thousands more than the combinations a boxer can even think about performing with his two hands.
I used to box myself. I remember a buddy who didn’t understand boxing tell me it shouldn’t be that hard to get ready for a fight. My jaw dropped. But to him, boxing was simply throwing fists at a guy’s head and knocking him out…that simple. But that was his ignorance.
Ironically, after BJJ practice yesterday, a boxer wanted to learn some grappling technique. He advised he had been boxing for about a decade and that he was interested in doing some MMA.
He learned quickly that there is more to taking a guy down than just running and tackling. He learned that if he just tried to tackle me without cutting the corner that I would just sprawl on him. We worked from my guard to him getting a side mount to a simple figure four shoulder crank. He thought that was the coolest shit he ever saw. And those were just the little things.
People like Hagler don’t know the intricacies of MMA so they will continue to scoff or write us off as witless grounders and pounders. It’s our job to educate them, because whether they like it or not, MMA will take over boxing in the next decade or two. Hell, submission wrestling is already being discussed as possibly becoming an event in the Olympic Games…only 14 years after Royce Gracie. Pretty impressive, I’ll say.