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Martial Arts Expert Explains Neck-Breaking Takedown

OPD Chief To Review Takedown Policies After Incident

ORLANDO, Fla. – WESH 2 News took a look Thursday night at the type of takedown an Orlando police officer reportedly used when an elderly man’s neck was broken in an arrest.

Orlando Police Department officials defended Officer Travis Lamont’s move as legit despite the severe injuries inflicted on 84-year-old Dan Daley Jr.

OPD Chief Val Demings pledged early Thursday to review takedown policies, but critics said the officer involved needed to use some common sense, as well.

Martial arts instructors didn’t want to speculate what happened, but they showed WESH the maneuver used.

It’s called the arm bar technique, and they said it’s very common. However, instructor Stephen Fasen said it depends on the circumstance as to when it should be used.

The technique is a move that Fasen, a fifth-degree black belt and martial arts expert, said could easily break someone’s neck.

The police report from the incident states that Daley’s blood alcohol level was twice the legal limit. Officers said he was upset after having to pay $50 to a tow truck driver and kept slapping Lamont’s shoulder.

Lamont wrote in the report that he feared being attacked and took Daley to the ground.

Fasen walked WESH through the movements of the takedown.

“It turns the body over, and makes them available,” he said. “The body then pivots, catching the elbow, pivoting on the ball of the foot. When the knee goes down, his balance is forward. Everything goes to the ground.”

Demings said she may now change OPD’s use of force techniques but still defended her officer. She said her officers made 16,000 arrests last year. Six-hundred involved use of force and 200 of those required a takedown like the arm bar technique.

Seven OPD supervisors are taking a closer look at the case to see if use of force was necessary.

Daley is still charged with battery on a law enforcement officer, assault on a law enforcement officer and disorderly conduct.

http://www.wesh.com/r/25139875/detail.html

Those were some of the worst 'sit up’s I’ve seen the mirror there. Waving your arms!??!?

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Aikido works on the streets???

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I’m trying to think of an arm bar that can easily break someone’s neck. I got nothing.

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YouTube - Time Warp - Dave Camarillo’s Chaotic

Voila

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If you bounced an 80yr olds head off the pavement with it I would say there was a risk.

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Watch the video in the link in the OP, it was your basic lock the arm and pull forward and down till the uke is flat on the ground, while pulling up on the arm. Evidently, when you do that to an 84 year old man, and his face meets the street first, it can dislocate the cervical vertebra.

Valid LEO takedown technique, yes. Should have been used on a drunk 84 year old for putting his hands on your shoulders – not in my opinion.

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[quote=Gidi;2446000]YouTube - Time Warp - Dave Camarillo’s Chaotic

Voila[/quote]

“A Camarillo invention?”

Fucking douchebags; that was like the very first flying armbar I learned over 13 years ago.

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[quote=Omega the Merciless;2446111]“A Camarillo invention?”

Fucking douchebags; that was like the very first flying armbar I learned over 13 years ago.[/quote]

Yeah and besides, everybody knows Korea invented Flying armbars!
It stands to reason, considering they invented flying, arms and bars.

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[quote=Omega the Merciless;2446111]“A Camarillo invention?”

Fucking douchebags; that was like the very first flying armbar I learned over 13 years ago.[/quote]

Sounds like you should have slapped your name on it and claimed it for yourself. Then ridden that bad boy to fame, glory, and riches. Apparently claiming to invent moves (that have been around forever) and giving them weird names is all the rage these days.

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How could I slap my name on it when it was other guys doing it and then showed me?

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Hey, it worked for Dave.
I suggest we call all flying armbars from this day forth: an “Omega”.

(I would suggest a “Gidi” but I can’t do one, so that wouldn’t fly very well - pun intended)

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There’s already a move we call “the Omega”

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By releasing an instructional DVD before they do, it seems.

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i know the omega :wink:

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Is it a headbutt to the fist?

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googled it and found it on youtube

YouTube - Utah Jazz - Omega Martial Arts

Somebody is going to beat me for this arn’t they?

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[quote=joecos;2446104]
Valid LEO takedown technique, yes. Should have been used on a drunk 84 year old for putting his hands on your shoulders – not in my opinion.[/quote]
Its hard to say, not actually being in the situation. An 84 year old man can be dangerous. If the officer legitimately felt that he was actually going to be attacked he did the right thing. Unfortunately in this case they guy ended up being a little more frail than expected.
Keep in mind I am somewhat of a police apologist willing to admit that they are certainly fallible but they have a tough job and will not always be able to make the most optimal decision every time.

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well, omega wants you to think the move that is named after him (he did not name it after himself, some judo noob omega nutrider did it) is a counter-defense to a standard arm bar. he would accept the fact that you might think it is headbutting a fist, but in all truth, the video above is the true omega kata. all the secrets of omega are hidden in this kata.

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[quote=Omega the Merciless;2446111]“A Camarillo invention?”

Fucking douchebags; that was like the very first flying armbar I learned over 13 years ago.[/quote]
I played around with this today. It seems that being off to the side and having a forearm, rather than just a hand, on the neck helps quite a bit.

What do you think?

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[quote=goodlun;2446224]Its hard to say, not actually being in the situation. An 84 year old man can be dangerous. If the officer legitimately felt that he was actually going to be attacked he did the right thing. Unfortunately in this case they guy ended up being a little more frail than expected.
Keep in mind I am somewhat of a police apologist willing to admit that they are certainly fallible but they have a tough job and will not always be able to make the most optimal decision every time.[/quote]

Yeah, he might go nuts overturning bingo tables if someone doesn’t check him now. God, what a tense situation, I hope the officer didn’t develop PTSD.

Unless this old man’s name was Karl Gotch or something, give me a break.