MABS CULL: I am going to complain about outing myself and derail a thread

Reviews, Videos, and Everything Else Trollshido
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[QUOTE=MProctor;2452720]The person writing this is Dillon Scouten. Dillon got kicked out of the academy due to his bad attitude. Although Dillon claims to have left on his own, this is untrue. On this day I have over 100 students in my academy and not one of them have an issue with anything. Mr Scouten has a problem with structure and rules, period.
As far as “kicking people out”, this is also untrue. I have asked three people to leave in the last two years of running my academy in Fife. One of these people slept with my ex fiance and is currently in a relationship with her. Anyone can understand how this would be disrespectful to your instructor. The second person I had asked to leave my academy had an alcohol problem which caused it’s own issues and affected the team. The third person of course would be Dillon.
The fact that Mr Scouten is posting these lies and anger towards me on this forum is proof enough of his attitude. Mr Scouten knows that I do not “buy my ranks” as he was there for my last promotion.
The biggest problem with a thread like this is the fact that people like Mr Scouten, or anyone that has a personal vendetta against another can publicly post it for all to see. Being in the position I’m in is bitter sweet. I have learned to make the most of what comes and the least of what goes.

Michael Proctor[/QUOTE]

The “second person” he is referring to is me… My name is Eli Harris and I was too a former student of Mr. Proctor and yes he is a compulsive liar. He did not kick me out of his school lol… please… I LEFT HIS MCDOJO ON MY OWN… it was the week of my fight at Rumble On The Ridge July 10, 2010. I will contact the gentleman who heard the conversation… this man also gave me a ride home that night and he knows that I quit. Mr. Proctor ALSO had accussed me of fooling around with his ex fiance( whom I will attempt to contact as well). So yes mike, he seems angry at you for who you are… I can vouch that you tell the students lies to outcast former students. Anyone that reads the ENTIRE thread can go on instinct alone that you are full of shit… you dodge questions thru the whole thing… I have seen his certs in his office… they look like he printed them out himself and drew a signature on it ( my opinion only). I have come on this thread and tried to defend his school but like everyone else… I seen his true colors… Yes I call Bullshit on his new Brown belt as well… He should not be off the hook for this… This thread is about him and he has done NOTHING IN MY OPINION to prove he is not BULLSHIDO. The only tourneys he competes in are ones no one has ever heard of… just ask him… so its about 830pm on 2-21-11 so allow me about 24 hours or so to contact the people who can verify what I am saying. And while we are verifying how about something to verify his large successful school of over 100 students. This whole thread is full of people who he has burned bridges with… this thread started a while back and is still going strong… and will continue to grow…

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Eli Harris has had many accounts of an alcohol proble
in his past and has made many unwise decisions. Speaking out of his ass has been one of them. I think he has something effecting his judgement again. This isn’t the first, and won’t be the last. There’s something called dust in the wind, I suggest you learn about it mr. Harris.

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[QUOTE=Armbarcentral;2511421]Eli Harris has had many accounts of an alcohol proble
in his past and has made many unwise decisions. Speaking out of his ass has been one of them. I think he has something effecting his judgement again. This isn’t the first, and won’t be the last. There’s something called dust in the wind, I suggest you learn about it mr. Harris.[/QUOTE]

many accounts of alcohol problems? wow you look so tough mr armbarcentral… you know who i am… identify yourself… and to the mrs purple belt, i never claimed any crazy rank of any kind in a short amount of time… dont come on here with a profile you just made… state your name so you dont look like a total chickenshit

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[QUOTE=ts1981;2511438]many accounts of alcohol problems? wow you look so tough mr armbarcentral… you know who i am… identify yourself… and to the mrs purple belt, i never claimed any crazy rank of any kind in a short amount of time… dont come on here with a profile you just made… state your name so you dont look like a total chickenshit[/QUOTE]

And i never wanted to come back to this thread but its to be clear that left, and mike didnt ask me to leave due to alcohol problems, i am a very sober man these days and train very hard, i just dont appreciate Mr Proctor saying that

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[QUOTE=Navita;2511440]My name is Kaitlin I got my purple in under 4 years are you going to say I’m lying?[/QUOTE]

not at all… mikes a big boy he can fight his own battles

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[QUOTE=MProctor;2511434]You’re correct Mr Harris, this thread will continue to grow the more successful I am.

My Brown Belt Promotion

My Academy
Room A

Room B
[/QUOTE]

So Mr. Proctor whats this Im hearing about you kicking me out? who is armbarcentral? i know the post you made was old but i just now saw it today…

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[QUOTE=Navita;2511445]But apparently you need to have proof so you got it, are you done complaining? I’m highly offended that you think my coach would just hand out belts. Apparently if you don’t think they spent enough time at a belt then they don’t deserve it.[/QUOTE]

yeah sure the belt part i can let go… So Mr Proctor… whats this I hear about you kicking me out?

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[QUOTE=MProctor;2511467]Yes I have competed in many tournaments as a Blue Belt and a Purple Belt. I’ve competed in local and national tournaments. I’ve also fought MMA. I could sit here all day and talk about my competitions and accomplishments but I would prefer to do it any other way besides this thread that has gone on way too long and needs to be removed.

Yes, I coach many students that are competing on a regular basis. We place top three in the majority of all tournaments that we compete in, at all levels, all divisions. We have a very high success rate in competition. I also coach Amateur and Professional fighters who hold or have held championships.

Thanks for the honest questions, feel free to contact me anytime off this thread.[/QUOTE]

He who shows does not lie… he who lies does not show… In this thread you stated you are gonna do a big tournament " in the near future"… well I have googled you and I find no proof of you competeing in “many tournaments” or a “big” tourney. why wont you end these allegations? maybe because the proof you say you have does not exist… the hits will keep on coming till you lay your cards down… Goodday:)

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[QUOTE=It is Fake;2511454]How about I kick you off Bullshido? Don’t start spamming the thread asking this question over and over again.[/QUOTE]

my apologies… will not happen again

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[QUOTE=Kintanon;2511587]I tried to follow Mr. Proctors advice and go to Google for information regarding his competition record. I found one video of his MMA fight here and several videos of some high school wrestler by the same name whom I am assuming is not the Mr. Proctor in question. I also found a single video from the Arlington Submission challenge but I can’t tell who is who in that one. It might not even be the correct Michael Proctor. I also found a blog that has been updated exactly twice.

So as a prospective student researching schools it is by no means easy to find any information on Mr. Proctors competition record. As far as I can tell he has fought once in MMA, and competed once in the advanced division of a small tournament.[/QUOTE]

exactly…

-if it looks and smells orange, its probably orange

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[QUOTE=Kintanon;2511788]Well, as a matter of comparison, another local school has the following page on their website: Evolutions MMA Videos

Where they have close to 100 videos showing their guys competing. If I were choosing between schools in your area they would already be 5 steps above you simply because I can watch their guys compete. They seem proud of their accomplishments, whereas you seem to want to avoid talking about yours. No video section on your website, nothing on the site showing off the names of your competition team or your guys that have done well in MMA fights or local tournaments… The only mention is your instructor page (Incidentally, Kaitlin is a beast! Mad props to her and she doesn’t deserve any shit from anybody. The girl has got skillz.), so when comparing the two you guys don’t look as good from a competition standpoint.
That doesn’t mean you AREN’T as good, it means your marketing needs a little improvement. So why not get some of your comp teams videos up?

Seems like Kaitlin alone could provide you with like 10 highlight videos…[/QUOTE]

yea, my coach marcello told me to stop putting video up because i had incidents where girls at larger tournaments saw my name in the bracket and studied me on youtube. There isn’t video of me competing past my blue belt, and even the ones on there are over a year old. You realize it’s not all about competition right? you don’t have to compete to be great. There are plenty of greats that could kick your butt any day of the week, but for one reason or another refuse to compete.

Thank you for the compliments, though. I had a ton of sheer dumb luck and the fact that i lived at home while going through college so i could spend everything I made on jiu jitsu. It’s a little different now.

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[QUOTE=Kintanon;2511807]I don’t have a complaint about your site. I’m just sayin, of the two schools, it’s a hell of a lot easier to find awesome competition videos from Evolution. Dunno why you’re so angry about it. AS for “researching correctly” that’s just crazy talk. Your prospective students will google your name, or your schools name, and look at the results from there.
I dunno why you’re all hostile about it. If you are telling people “If you want to see my competition videos check out google” and no one can find any competition videos on you using a google search of your name, then there’s a breakdown between what you think you are communicating to people and what they are getting.[/QUOTE]

he simply is sending everyone on a wild goose chase… hes sending all of us to sites to look for something that he knows is not there… If he had videos from national and prestigeous bjj tourneys, he would be the first one to post it on Youtube… I do not think he has ever competed in the purple belt division in a bjj tourney… And he simply feels uncomfortable to discuss this on here…

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Yes, let’s not get into the competition argument. BFM just said that it doesn’t matter if a coach has wins or loses just that they have experience. Most “greats” competed so, let’s not continue down this road. That’s the start of a major derail. Kintanon is addressing the google comment. Notice he said compete not just win.

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[QUOTE=MProctor;2511825]I competed in the Submission Challenge a month before my Brown Belt Promotion. Eli Harris, you’re a clown. How about this, come on in and I’ll kick your ass again.[/QUOTE]

now this is the real side your students need to see… This guy is supposed to be a role model and leader… and stop with the threats and name calling you are making it too obvious that you are bogus… and we have only rolled… boxing gloves on you know you would get knocked out so chill out and give the world some proof cause at the end of the day, when your name is googled, this site pops up… WHO IS THE CLOWN NOW

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[QUOTE=Navita;2511810]yea, my coach marcello told me to stop putting video up because i had incidents where girls at larger tournaments saw my name in the bracket and studied me on youtube. There isn’t video of me competing past my blue belt, and even the ones on there are over a year old. You realize it’s not all about competition right? you don’t have to compete to be great. There are plenty of greats that could kick your butt any day of the week, but for one reason or another refuse to compete.

Thank you for the compliments, though. I had a ton of sheer dumb luck and the fact that i lived at home while going through college so i could spend everything I made on jiu jitsu. It’s a little different now.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I’ve run into a few guys that gameplanned against me based on all of the videos I have online, but I don’t mind. Means I get to work my game against people that know what’s coming, so when I win anyways I know I’m doing a good job.
And while you don’t have to compete to be great, I feel like if you’re going to be an instructor that it’s worth your time to have your competition videos available for prospective students, especially if you are past your main competition years. If you’re competing regularly at the Pan Ams and Mundials, and trying to qualify for ADCC then you may have a reason to keep a lot of your recent comp vids off of the net, but if you’re a black or brown belt then videos from when you were a blue or purple belt aren’t giving away much, but they show people, “Hey! This guys puts it out there. He’s willing to match his skills up against other people to test them.”

I mean, honestly, BJJ is an art founded on competition and the constant evolution that brings to the art. But, as an example Roy Dean has only a handful of competition videos around. The guy is one of the most cerebral instructors on all of BJJ, his ability to explain a technique is incredible, the depth of his BJJ philosophy is mind blowing. He doesn’t have a ton of high level grappling wins, but he’s a GREAT instructor.

And of course he has students that compete and do well. It’s just a matter of how you represent yourself to your prospective students, why wouldn’t you want your best to be out there for people to see? A couple of highlight videos at least, y’know?

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[QUOTE=Steev0;2511833]Just to add, I’ve seen Michael’s medals and I’ve also seen what he has accomplished personally. There is no question about it and any of his students will tell you that they are proud to train under him.

Even Dillon recently apologized to Mikey for his post on this board and values what he’s learned training under him.

Regardless of what Mikey discloses here, what can’t be denied is the success of his academy and the success of his students. Fife BJJ competitors consistently place top 3 at every tournament and again, if you ask any student here, they will tell you they are proud to train under Michael Proctor including former Evolution students who are with us whose videos are still posted on Evolution’s website.

His approach to marketing is dramatically different from Evolution’s and it works for his school and for what he’s trying to accomplish. We don’t make it a habit to post all of our competition videos for the reasons Kaitlin listed. Even so, if you search, you will find many competition videos of our students, many of which are listed under our former competition team name ‘Gamebred’. From MMA champions, to gold medal winners, it’s there for the viewing public.

As far as no mention of ‘accomplishments’, it can be found on the school’s facebook page which typically receives more traffic than the website. Links to video, pictures, results etc are posted regularly.

Eli has decided to attack Michael any way he can for his own personal reasons and has disrespected everyone at our school with his words and actions. For him it’s not about exposing a fake instructor or school so much as wanting to destroy the name of someone he has a personal beef with. Calling us a mcdojo is very disrespectful regardless of how he feels about Michael personally. In turn, you are basically calling everyone of us here fakes, including the people who still care about you and wished you the best.

Whatever personal issues you have with Mikey should not involve the school, which you have done in your efforts to destroy Mikey’s name.[/QUOTE]

Hey steeeeeeveee. how is it goin partner? And NO there is no more personal beef… I am just curious as is everyone on here… I dont need to TRY to ruin mike… He did that on his own

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“Ruined”? Who are you again?

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Hey TS1981… How 'bout you shut the fuck up. You’ve contributed about dick nothing to this thread except being a fucking whiner. Unless you have some actual proof of something then Mike not having competition videos up, while it may be questionable marketing for a school, in no way indicates that he’s not a legit brown belt. So unless you’ve got a statement from Marcello saying he didn’t give Mike his brown belt then you should probably just fuck off and let the adults talk.

MProctor: Just keep in mind, the first thing we do when anyone makes an accusation is to demand proof of it. No one is jumping on you just because some retard came on and started a thread with some shit. If you don’t mind letting us verify your rank via a scan of your certificate we can give your username a shiny Brown Belt (Like the Purple Belt one that Navita has) tag and formally close this thread with everything nice and tidy unless IIF thinks there is anything else that needs to be looked into.

That way anyone who finds this thread via google will see that TS1981 is a douchebag, and you are a legit Brown belt with a good school that doesn’t have a lot of competition videos up for various completely reasonable reasons. They’ll also know to go to your facebook page to get up to date competition pictures and whatnot.

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[QUOTE=MProctor;2511839]“Ruined”? Who are you again?[/QUOTE]

no no no mikey… This is your site… who are you is the question…

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[QUOTE=Kintanon;2511834]Yeah, I’ve run into a few guys that gameplanned against me based on all of the videos I have online, but I don’t mind. Means I get to work my game against people that know what’s coming, so when I win anyways I know I’m doing a good job.
And while you don’t have to compete to be great, I feel like if you’re going to be an instructor that it’s worth your time to have your competition videos available for prospective students, especially if you are past your main competition years. If you’re competing regularly at the Pan Ams and Mundials, and trying to qualify for ADCC then you may have a reason to keep a lot of your recent comp vids off of the net, but if you’re a black or brown belt then videos from when you were a blue or purple belt aren’t giving away much, but they show people, “Hey! This guys puts it out there. He’s willing to match his skills up against other people to test them.”

I mean, honestly, BJJ is an art founded on competition and the constant evolution that brings to the art. But, as an example Roy Dean has only a handful of competition videos around. The guy is one of the most cerebral instructors on all of BJJ, his ability to explain a technique is incredible, the depth of his BJJ philosophy is mind blowing. He doesn’t have a ton of high level grappling wins, but he’s a GREAT instructor.

And of course he has students that compete and do well. It’s just a matter of how you represent yourself to your prospective students, why wouldn’t you want your best to be out there for people to see? A couple of highlight videos at least, y’know?[/QUOTE]

bjj wasn’t born out of competition, helio couldn’t do all of the judo moves, so he adapted it to work for him. It was born to give smaller people an advantage in a self defense situation. competition is something that came out of wanting to prove what they had really worked.Even then it was a competition against other martial arts styles. Why should i have my videos available online, if i have the proof online of results pages, if i have the medals. Sorry if I dont get video every time and don’t want to put it up… No one knew who my coach was when he moved to Indiana, there wasn’t youtube for him to upload his videos when he was competing. Yet he had pictures of him medaling, pictures of his students medaling, pictures of him training, clippings from newspapers, etc. he didn’t need video proof. If you look Marcello up now, yes he has one recent video of him competing, and tons of him training. is that not enough? When I first met marcello all I saw was his myspace, a few messages from him, then I went in to check out the school. What I saw in front of me was what I wanted. I cold care less how good a coach is in competition, if he is an arrogant a**, etc at the school, why would I want to go there?