Looking for ex Jung SuWon / Tae Yun Kim students (Part 4)

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I wanted to thank all the ex-col and jsw members for their courage in speaking up. It does make a difference. Here’s my story:

The JSW demo team performed a “karate demonstration” at the Fremont Art Festival this summer in the kids’ space. In my youth, I trained for a bit with positive results and I’ve been looking around for a place for my 5 year old daughter to learn the art, so she and I made sure to be there at the appointed time and watched the whole thing. While I thought that the mutliple references to the many-titled Grandmaster was a bit odd, I liked their overall message of acceptance/learning/bettering oneself through effort. JPalmer personally spoke with us, and he was quite charming. An Indian man was said to have started training there with his two children (although he appeared a little sheepish when this was so publicly pointed out), and it struck me that perhaps this was a place that she and I might train together. Certainly, the female-male equality was emphasized, which appealed to me. I added the school to the small list of places to consider this fall. After doing a little research on these (yelping, talking to friends whose kids do TKD or another MA, and reading this thread), I can confidently cross this one off the list.

Consider your public statement as helping people make safe choices for themselves, if nothing else. I don’t know whether my daughter’s or my “type” of person would have appealed to TYK for inner-circle invitations (we’re a little bit on the independent and super-stubborn side), but I’m glad – particularly for my daughter’s and son’s sakes – I’m not going to find out.

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Buckyd, thanks for letting us know that this thread helped you. Warning folks like you is why we post. Good luck in finding a good school with no-BS teachers.

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Buckyd, I’m very glad that we could help you avoid the potential heartache of having kim in your lives. I wish you every success in finding the right environment for your family.

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Hello. I’m back! I have so much to reply to but not a lot of new info really.

FS is right about the bible quote. TYK was wrong. She assumed the role of Jesus and that’s just disturbing.

bemused, I also knew of the person you are talking about, about the incident in 1997, and that some kind of special training incident occurred, but if it really was that, why didn’t CA mention it to the Inside Edition folks a few months later? And why didn’t everyone at that meeting with the knife just up and say, I quit! Wow.

I was not in COL but I was in ET class and I did hear stories from you all back in the day, and most of the net stories here collaborate those stories. I was in BBC class also and was privy to the hissy fits and that jazz too.

I was there during the chewing out of JW (adult) and JC and even of the boy JW and his being caught looking at smut.

I was there at the COL houses once or twice and even in that black bottom pool, and I recalled the ‘garden claw incident’, and yong sa the dog. One of the dogs got poisoned. I remember that too.

No, I never lived there, thank God, but I did think it was weird. KK even told my Dad it was weird.

I was the one who made the wooden butterfly for a gift, that big one that probably fell apart. :slight_smile:

The hissy fit where everyone was yelling at JW and he later imitated GTYK as though negative, that I was also there for. It was part of an ET class and I was present.

TYK was never secret about the goings on with ET class and freely told everyone’s dirty secrets in class, like the woman whose horse died, or the student who had agoraphobia.

It was a regular class when the boy was outed for looking at dirty stuff, by his own mother, and then TYK, which I found was f’ed up.

I wasn’t at Lighthouse enough to really know AG as RS and as others did, although I never intended to pretend I did. Clearly Lighthouse was just as frakked.

It was too high stress doing that kind of stuff, and if TYK is a boss, Id imagine it was hell. My boss for that brief intership was ‘bemused’. It was okay.

Once I made it to black belt I was privy to inside things and more ET things, but never like the COLs, although COLs did discuss things openly to me, most of which you have already discussed here.

It would be nice if there were more of us former students here and elsewhere just discussing this weird stuff. Apparently cults and martial arts are somewhat related.

Does anyone know what TYK is up to? Since last summer I haven;t heard anything. Net’s pretty gone on her. Her minions stopped posting new YouTube vids.

How are the movers and shakers of this site doing and what are they up to? Does anyone know what happened to Hello123, Yeoman, Chicabonita, the fake AdamG, or the infamous JJHalpin or Sarahalexsmile?

Hope Clarehoare and Ryan are not streessing over this site too much. Certainly I am not an issue anymore. Take care.

Any news, Shadow? Kathy?

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Hi Kittyki!
Yes, LWS was pretty extreme for those who were also COL members. 90 + hour works weeks were the norm for some of us. I did so for 3+ years, and it took a huge toll on me, physically, mentally and emotionally. After I left it was several months before I began to de-stress and started to remember the things which I actually enjoyed about life.

Thank you for backing off on your claims that some things to which you had no knowledge didn’t happen. I was a part of many very strange ‘classes’, ones which I’m sure you would have trouble believing because they are so ‘out there.’ KK and Bemused had left before the group beating incident, but others may remember when TYK was very angry at everyone for preparing to leave Stargazer (after she had told us all to do so because she was angry with ‘everyone’) Turns out she didn’t actually want anyone to leave but wanted us all to grovel and beg her forgiveness. She came out screaming when she saw people getting ready to clean up and leave (she has cameras set up all throughout Stargazer so she can watch people from her home office.) She ordered everyone into re-birth full bowing position and proceded to whack everyone on the butt, legs are arms with her Mok Tok stick for a very long time. She just walked through the crowd beating on everyone. I don’t know how many deep welts I got (all on areas that wouldn’t show unless I removed my clothes) and it was hard to sit for weeks. Not one person got up and walked away. She beat especially hard on SHS because ‘he hadn’t stopped us from leaving.’ He had some visible bruises that showed for days. He laughed them off to the non-COL at Lighthouse as sparring accidents.

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In retrospect, I think all of us that fell under the influence of TYK left our spines at the door of the dojang. I fully realize now that TYK is power, control, and money hungry. Holy crap…surveillance cameras? Did she also have them in your bedrooms? If so, she’s a voyeur…a “peeping tom” and that’s very disturbing.

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I don’t believe there were any cameras in any of the bedrooms or bathrooms, just the common areas of the living room, family room and dining area.

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Hi folks, it’s been a while.

Kittyki, I never witnessed the “1997” incident and therefore can’t personally verify that it happened, but I am inclined to believe my friend. That “class” was different than things I did witness only in degree. No one but the, um, “participants” knew about it at the time of the Inside Edition report. If you’re wondering why no one just left, during the incident TCS and MEA were standing guard. Afterward, TYK probably reframed it as an elite rite of passage, the way she did with a lot of her punishments. In addition, cult psychology is similar to the psychology of battered women, who have a hard time leaving.

Carson, I hadn’t heard about the incident you describe before. How horrible! That and the ET class in which JW imitated TYK show that TYK really has gone off the deep end into violence. I hope the remaining members of COL wake up and get out.

As for camera locations, I wouldn’t put it past TYK to put them in bathrooms and bedrooms. She was always prying into people’s thoughts and activities in those areas.

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Hi Bemused! If you can, will you please point me to the write-up on when JW imitated TYK? We may be writing about the same night, as a series of attempted imitations happened early on in the evening. (TYK told a few of us to sit in her chair and act like her - most of us broke down and wouldn’t do it. It was after JW did sit in her chair and attempt to imitate her that TYK threw the fit, told us all to leave, and stormed out of the room. Once we actually did start to leave, TYK returned and the beatings started.)

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Hello Bemused: She had listening devices and cameras around when they tore up the old do jang in Milpitas. Ironically she held a public final testing followed by the tear down of the building without a professional demotion crew, against all the city permits, because it was cheaper. The students were the crew. The men’s bathroom had at least one mic and a peep hole or too. I suspect the women’s room might have also. That was at the 70th testing.

The San Jose do jang wasn’t as user friendly with (listening devices) bugs, (locker rooms and bathrooms were separate) and they never completed the main bathrooms because of lack of permits.

In the new Fremont one they bragged that cameras were all over the do jang and even in the eye of TYK’s painting, looming ominously down on the students training. Full HD TV screens could watch the action from the lobby or anywhere. But since nobody told them at the 79th testing that they could switch from HD scre3en to full screen the cast looked fat. Lol.

Carson: The two ‘beating’ incidents there are likely the same one or a similar one. It’s messed up that she asked for being commented on and then when she got anything remotely critical she threw a fit.

One time during class we used the ‘gauntlet’ that EA (male) rigged up to train, with the ‘dangerous’ flying bags. JW (instructor) was especially mean that night and didn’t realize I couldn’t see the bag to my left. (My left eye is legally blind and I can’t see 3D). The bag got me good and I bit my lip, to which I bled all over the bag, and got pissed and bit it. JW then freaked out and screamed “You could have AIDS! Do’t bite that!” I do not have AIDS. He made a big deal out of it and got some lysol to spray the bag and wipe it off, but there should have been a stop to class if people were busting their lips open. It was not a class TYK was present for though. Later on, he was ‘humiliated’ in ET class in the incident with the imitation, I believe. He did not apologize for exploding, but I did for biting the bag.

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After TYK got her city council party and showed off her San Jose do jang and lighthouse, (2004 about), and the Koreans were running about all evening, there was a karaoke night where I attended but someone had rigged the machine ti play too fast, so it didn’t go over too well. The Korean men were from the place that promoted TYK to ‘Great Grandmaster’, and she ordered the instructors to be extremely nice to them, but at the same time some of the then current COLs were not nice, and behind her they smarted off and made remarks about the men.

At the time, my Dad was bedridden (as he was off and on until he passed away in 2009), but that night he had the pneumonia really bad and was sick because of that. Anyway, TYK ordered all of the black belts to come to Stargazer after the party. Nobody was to leave. They were to go with her to special training, including a gig first thing in the morning.

She had promoted many of her black belts for the party (and dignitaries) and expected all of them to be there, so it was up from 17 black belts to about 28. She couldn’t keep track of everyone, just those in COL, so because I was not in COL I made a discrete exit from the lighthouse side (of San Jose) at about midnight. (I got my official black belt 3 years earlier).

Anyway, JW (now a master for the celebration) was entrusted with calling back any black belts who left, but he didn’t get around to me until 3 am. He called my home phone at 3 am! Mom woke up. Dad wasn’t sleeping anyway. He was mad that the black belts could not wait around for special class all night! This was on TYK’s orders . He thought I was COL (or part time COL as you call it), so I had to be there. I gave it right back to him. I told him that my Dad was sick and that he had no business calling my house at 3 am. He was quite flabbergasted. I said I would come to the event in the morning provided he not remind me again.

Then at about 7am I appeared at the San Jose do jang with the others, where PN was commenting on the Korean guests from last night, making racial remarks next to JW, which was bizarre he did that.

Then SHS and the others packed in to go to Stargazer, but they said that they heard about last night and didn’t need me to attend. Not that they apologized for JW’s insane 3 am call, but that I had talked back to an instructor.

A little later, MBF turned around and apologized for the 3 am call, only because he didn’t realize I wasn’t in COL and also Dad was sick (even though they knew from last night when I left). The word didn’t get to the minions apparently and one of them acted without thinking. Nice of MBF to clear that up, but not so nice that it happened in the first place.

I was not kicked out or anything for that, nor was any kind of ‘hard training class’ issued afterward. I was a part time COL, not a live in, so I was not mistreated. Also it would have looked incredibly bad if they had.

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It doesn’t make sense that TYK would favor some people and not others, and have hissy fits and turn around and act humble, but supposing she is in fact out to lunch, that might explain it. Also she was meaner to the COL women than the men, obviously in class. I actually found it annoying that I was put in the spotlight on occasion, brought out like a trophy during testings, and made to look like ‘Look at what TYK did! She helped me!’ Not at what I did to train and achieve, but what TYK did to get me there. (It was a good thing she was there, but so many other people didn’t get a fair shake, and they were not given credit, just for speaking out). I was somewhat protected from the craxy stuff but certainly heard about it and saw it, especially given higher rank.

I tend to be too honest for my own good because lying is foolish, but I do exaggerate events I’ve seen sometimes because I get wrapped up in them.

She didn’t train students in a vacuum and there was gossip and there were words spoken many times. I was not in COL because it already sounded creepy by 1997, and the warning sings were right there. But I was a black belt and when that happened I was ‘part time’ in the know, so they figured I was worthy to hear even more.

It’s much better to leave on a good note there than it is to have bitter resentments. Still I understand that some of you left under extremely frakked up conditions after enduring all manner of torments. That does suck. I hope you find some kind of closure.

It was supposed to be an honor to be called up early in the morning and told about class. Eventually they used email which could be ignored! Lol.

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Oh and MBF has sent a recent email to my Facebook again about classes or something. I will decline, but perhaps I will keep you informed.

And SHS was a special Grandmaster, not an MC, at that 2004 event.

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I was just thinking of something else. Why would TYK deliberately ask for a critical mockery of herself in class? Then why would she administer a ration of bad galbi when she didn’t like being the brunt of jokes? It’s like, here make a ‘celebrity roast of me’ but don’t say anything bad. Man, that was a weird class. I remember that even more vividly now since you mentioned it. I guess they didn’t go after me because I didn’t say anything.

Besides, if Shadow was there he would have been the funniest of all. He really can do the imitations. :slight_smile:

‘You weel take zhe schitck’, ‘columlus discuber amerca’, ‘glandmaster’…just to name a few.

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Oh and someone tried to leak Romancercise onto the net but it got pulled. It must have been an inside job since nobody has that tape. It wasn’t me. I sure don’t have it. I would have posted that stuff on Failblog. :slight_smile:

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The beating incident I wrote about happened at Stargazer, and the only participants were COL. It was early in 2004, I believe, perhaps at the Lunar New Year program but I’m not sure.
I left on Nov 1, 2004, so if the event you spoke about above (with the Korean dignateries and 3 am phone call) was in 2004, it must have been late in the year as I don’t remember it. TYK did try to make us feel special if she ‘gave’ us such ‘opportunities’. TYK would often say that she was hardest only on those who were ‘strong’, ‘connected’ with her, or whom she trusted, and whom she loved the most! It made us want to be abused as it ‘proved’ she cared about us and we were ‘worthy’.

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Carson, I would love to find the posts about the ET class where JW imitated TYK again, but it’s a lot of pages to search through, and my time is limited these days. It’s too bad Chica took down her posts, because her description was especially vivid, as I recall. She said JW was quite funny, and the class couldn’t keep from laughing. It was the laughing that got to TYK. In any case, I think we have been talking about the same class.

“I punish you because I love you” is an attempted justification common among abusive husbands too. It’s also used by right-wing religious schools and drug rehab programs to control children and teenagers using fear.

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Anyone been to JSW lately?

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I would rather crawl on my hands and knees through broken glass to stick toothpicks in dog crap than ever set foot in that place again!

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LOL! You do have a way with words! I just would rather stick my head in a bucket of vomit than ever have anything to do with those assholes again.