Youngchunquan (Wing Chun)
Gouquan (dog style)
Huzunquan (tiger style)
Longzunquan (dragon style)
Hequan (crane style)
Lohanquan (fist of arhats)
Taizuquan (fist of Zhao Kuangyin emperor)
Houquan (monkey style)
Wuzongheyangquan (fist of five ancestors and teacher He Yang)
Shezuquan (fist of She nationality)
Styles of Guangdong province
Cailifoquan (Choy Lay Fut)
Hongjiaquan (Hung Gar) (fist of Hong family)
Liujiaquan (fist of Liu family)
Lijiaquan (fist of Li family)
Caijiaquan (fist of Cai family)
Mojiaquan (fist of Mo family)
Hongfoquan (fist of Hong and Buddha)
Zhoujiaquan (fist of Zhou family)
Hongtou caiwei (head of Hong, tail of Cai)
Caimoquan (fist of Cai and Mo)
Baji is not an Islamic style. If Liu Yun Qiao’s Hui heritage makes Baji Hui, then after I have transmitted the style down to the next generation after me you guys will have to say it is a Jewish style.
I’m submitting an article that I translated from Liu Yun Qiao’s book. According to Liu himself the style was taught to Li Shu Wen’s teacher, Wu Zhong, by two wandering Daoists. Also, it is listed under Hunan, which is wrong again. The birthplace of Bajiquan is in Hebei, not Hunan.
not sure if you are aware of this, but many ethnically chinese people were Islamic by religion. The “Sun Moon Sect” as it was called was often ignorantly labelled as a deviant evil cult…
I am aware of how widespread Islam is throughout the East but I have never heard of the Sun Moon Sect you are speaking of. Where can I find out more information on this particular sect and the styles they practiced?
well in reality the sun moon thing came from Islam’s symbol…you know, the crescent moon etc
there is no real “sect” per se, it was just labelled a deviant cult due to ignorance about the religion. However in a fictional work of books titled “The Swordsman”, there is a deviant dark sect called the “Sun Moon Sect” based on this
Although there is a substantial Islamic population here in China when people talk about muslim styles they generally are refering to the styles common among the Hui people. The Hui are so assimilated that most westerners couldn’t tell them apart from the Han Chinese that make up 90% or so of the population. They are certainly not the biggest muslim group just the ones with the biggest MA influence. I would guess that there are far more central asian muslims, such as Ouigers, Uzbeks, Turks etc. These peoples of central asia (what I can the ‘stans’, Pakistan, Turkestan, Uzbekistan etc.) are not ethnically Chinese and from what I can tell bear a fair bit of resentment towards the govt for “liberating” them back in '49 along with Tibet. I am not aware of any martial arts from these people other than wrestling, which Turkey is famous for.
The main styles associated around here are Tongbei and Pigua. They are both flexible whippy styles with distinct methods of power generation but still, to me, very similar.
Baji is often falsely classified as a muslim style because of its origins in Cangzhou, a predominately Hui area. Most modern Baji traces its lineage back to Wu Zhong, himself a Hui. But Wu Zhong learned it from one of those crazy wandering Daoists who stumbled out of the wilderness one night while he was training. Also, there are historical references to Bajiquan in the early Ming Dynasty, considerably before Wu Zhong’s time. Since I love to talk about Baji so much I’ll add one more point. . .
The Hui have a reputation for getting into fights. They have gravitated, IMHO, to the fiercer more obviously practical styles. So Baji was a natural choice. I think the Xing-yi connection may also be along these lines.
There is a ‘muslim’ tan tui but there is also a northern Shaolin version along with a couple others. I should also mention that for the most part the Hui are Muslim more like an ethnicity than a religion. There are religious muslims too but the literacy rate is low among many Chinese and the Hui, being a relatively oppressed minority tend to be even less educated than the average. So don’t make to much of the Muslim part. They don’t eat pork, they don’t know why other than “Mohammed said it’s dirty” and they wear funny little white hats. I doubt many have the skills to read the Koran. There are exceptions but I’m describing the average.
Originally posted by BeLikeWater I heard but the mandarin pinyin stuff really is hard to determine what it is often…
Actually you’ve got it backwards. Mandarin pinyin is standardized so you can spell out the exact pronounciation minus the 4 tones and there is a shorthand for that as well. Cantonese on the other hand has anywhere from 7 to 11 tones depending on who you ask and has no official English spelling for anything so you just do your best to spell out the sounds.
Mandarin is the standard. If it’s not a southern style that everyone already gotten used to seeing spelled a certain way, it’s easier to get on the same page using the official language of China, Mandarin.
I’m familiar with Cantonese names so Mandarin ones are hard to recognize instantly. Secondly, most martial artists and sources use Cantonese names for techniques and arts. Thirdly, the way the Mandarin is spelled out tends to be harder to figure out and pronounce due to the words being jumbled together and the use of letters such as “x” alot.
Pinyin is further NOT easy to read due to it not being the original form of writing. Those who used the normal method for years and/or were exposed to the HK way of writing cannot so easily recognize Pinyin since it’s totally different. Just b/c it’s standardized does not mean anything. Perhaps it’s “easier” to those who learn it but to those who are not familiar with it, familiar with only the original way of writing, or familiar with cantonese it is not “easy”.
There are therefore alot of people in the same boat as I am and anybody who is not familiar with Mandarin/Pinyin period such as practioners in North America or non-asian countries will recognize the Cantonese spellings much easier than the stuff on that list. Examples: wing chun, choy lee fut. Do you think it’s easier to recognize that or the Pinyin ways of Youngchunquan and Cailifoquan?? I mean honestly wth is califoquan?!?!?!?
that’s because those arts are from cantonese speaking areas, fool! duh.
if you ask my parents, they have no idea WTF “wing chun” is but they sure know that every teenage boy in taiwan in the 70’s wanted to learn “yongchun,” dumbass!
