Kempo, the defender

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[QUOTE=It is Fake;2598040]We haven’t debated because I never answered your question.

See this is you trying to debate with a ready made argument. You are using poor logic to try and WIN a debate. How about you ask a question instead of being derisive and condescending by putting words in my mouth?

Once you stop with the arrogance and shitty analogies we can discuss this in a rational manner. Yes, passive aggressive insults are being nasty.[/QUOTE]

I waived the white flag, that’s all I’m saying. I am just looking for an honest answer to something that I don’t understand. The question asked was If martial arts instruction holds little to no value on DVD or tape whatsoever, how come just about every famous name in the martial arts is putting out insturctional programs together and selling them? Besides the monetary rewards, if some people in the martial arts community feel that the rank or instruction obtained through video is not worth the paper it’s printed on, or the disc it’s printed on, then why are they doing it and possibly jeopordizing their good reputations?

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DVDs are of great value as a reference tool for people who are already receiving actual instruction in that art.

They are of little to no value instead of actual instruction in that art.

They can offer a reference, a different view, and some insight into something you already understand.

Same with martial arts books.

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[QUOTE=Bulldog1;2598044]I waived the white flag, that’s all I’m saying. I am just looking for an honest answer to something that I don’t understand. The question asked was If martial arts instruction holds little to no value on DVD or tape whatsoever, how come just about every famous name in the martial arts is putting out insturctional programs together and selling them? Besides the monetary rewards, if some people in the martial arts community feel that the rank or instruction obtained through video is not worth the paper it’s printed on, or the disc it’s printed on, then why are they doing it and possibly jeopordizing their good reputations?[/QUOTE]
They aren’t because a large majority of the LEGIT teachers explain that it is a tool used to help with your current learning. You know you can use a simulator all you want, but your examples all involve teachers ALL OF THEM. Yes, when a pilot uses a simulator guess who shows them what to do? An instructor. Guess what that instructor does? He helps them and eventually puts them into a real cockpit. Guess what I’ll make it easy.

Your analogy fails because, a pilot can be taught without EVER using a flight simulator. A driver can be taught without ever using a simulator. You can use a simulator, but every person that has finishes by using the actual simulated vehicle in real life.

As of right now and current laws, you will not be a pilot, a driver, a teacher, etc etc etc until you go and put yourself in the actual physical arena under actual instruction.

The people who were athletic enough to learn strictly from DVD are few and far between. Also, they almost all had a strong athletic base that was close to the skill set they were learning from said DVD.

People are lazy so, it is all about the money.

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This ‘right’ you feel you have to learn a martial art, where does it come from?

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[QUOTE=It is Fake;2598050]They aren’t because a large majority of the LEGIT teachers explain that it is a tool used to help with your current learning. You know you can use a simulator all you want, but your examples all involve teachers ALL OF THEM. Yes, when a pilot uses a simulator guess who shows them what to do? An instructor. Guess what that instructor does? He helps them and eventually puts them into a real cockpit. Guess what I’ll make it easy.

Your analogy fails because, a pilot can be taught without EVER using a flight simulator. A driver can be taught without ever using a simulator. You can use a simulator, but every person that has finishes by using the actual simulated vehicle in real life.

As of right now and current laws, you will not be a pilot, a driver, a teacher, etc etc etc until you go and put yourself in the actual physical arena under actual instruction.

The people who were athletic enough to learn strictly from DVD are few and far between. Also, they almost all had a strong athletic base that was close to the skill set they were learning from said DVD.

People are lazy so, it is all about the money.[/QUOTE]

I understand what you’re saying now. My apologies for being confused because I really didn’t see the forrest from the trees. As long as you’re using the DVD as a compliment or a guide to what you’re already doing, then that’s one thing. But to learn an art from scratch through DVD is completely different and not 100% possible, if at all possible.

I appreciate your help because I honestly thought that if you were to get a set of DVD’s from Joe Smith Karate Studios, you would actually be able to learn Joe Smith’s art of karate. My instruction has been through class, private, and school oriented instruction through out my career as a martial artist so I wasn’t thinking like a novice or someone who has never learned anything about the arts or that particular art. Now I see that there really are two sides to that story, because how could a beginner grasp the movements, terminology, placement, and restraint strength if they never did it before in the first place. Well, you learn something new everyday, and today I got a very valuable lesson. Thank you.

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[QUOTE=Bulldog1;2598044]The question asked was If martial arts instruction holds little to no value on DVD or tape whatsoever, how come just about every famous name in the martial arts is putting out insturctional programs together and selling them? [/QUOTE]

For the same reason people sell shark cartilage tablets, “balance” bracelets, and continually updated versions of Star Wars.

Lemmings with disposable income will buy them in bulk.

And please never compare million dollar flight simulators with $15 disks of plastic with some video on them.

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[QUOTE=Bulldog1;2598044]I waived the white flag, that’s all I’m saying. I am just looking for an honest answer to something that I don’t understand. The question asked was If martial arts instruction holds little to no value on DVD or tape whatsoever, how come just about every famous name in the martial arts is putting out insturctional programs together and selling them? Besides the monetary rewards, if some people in the martial arts community feel that the rank or instruction obtained through video is not worth the paper it’s printed on, or the disc it’s printed on, then why are they doing it and possibly jeopordizing their good reputations?[/QUOTE]

Famous instructors do not always mean competent instructors. Just look at the number of soap starletts selling weight loss DVDs. they know nothing of nutrition and exercise but they are a recognised name that can sell a product. It’s worth noting that they may have a well qualified team for which they are the mouthpiece however this is an additional cost that may not result in additional sales so may be left out of the package.

There is also the element of ‘learning from a champion’ in your own home. These DVDs are not intended to replace training but supplement it.

Anyway it seems you got the message. See. We’re nice really when you talk to us pleasantly. Well, some of us…