So I was watching this K1 fighter, Cung Le. He’s pretty good, but he does the dumbest thing, which is he is always going in for throws by sticking his head down and going for the guy’s legs.
I can’t remember who was his opponent in this match, but the guy (who lost), kept going down to one knee so he wouldn’t be thrown.
But the thing is, if somebody does that, sticks his head down into your striking zone, his opponent could easily hit him in the back of the head and neck.
But they don’t allow that in K1 rules, so Cung Le keeps doing this stupid technique over and over again. I ask you … how realistic is that? It doesn’t seem very realistic at all.
Now of course K1 isn’t NHB, but it seems in all so-called NHB and even K1, they should allow shots to the groin, back of the head, back, etc.
Otherwise, it’s just stupid. How can somebody win with such a dumb technique? When you take away those areas, then it allows dumb techniques that wouldn’t work in a real fight.
The point of competing in a sport isn’t to be as “realistic” as possible, it’s to win. A competition has rules, the best competitors operate in such a manner as to take full advantage of them. He’d be stupid not to.
Edward, you need to put your style in the appropriate field. “Forgetfulness” is not a martial art. If you are not training in an art, please reflect this.
Until I see striking to the back of the head and spine when someone attempts to enter the clinch range become really effective in vale tudo competition, only then I will update my opinion. I just haven’t seen it happen often enough for it to be that realistic of a move.
I put forgetfulness because I’m forgetting most of what I took. I don’t train except with some friends, and we don’t practice any particular style. So what do you want me to put, “Backyard Brawling?”
if you want to be realistic, just go out and fight random people on the street to prove to yourself how street lethal you are, people do it all the time…
In modern day sport fighting, there are various targets that are considered off limits, due to their easily causing extreme injury (eyes, throat, back of neck, groin, etc.)
In a real fight, one might use these targets to hurt one’s opponent.
In modern day sport fighting, people want to win. Therefore, the techniques evolve to win the fights. Since they cannot hit these target areas which would be valid in a real fight, they use techniques which would not work in a real fight.
Therefore, sport fighting does not prepare one to fight in real life. It doesn’t train realistic techniques. Sport fighters don’t tend to guard their groin, or the back of their head, or their throat.
Therefore, since sport fighting does not prepare one to fight in real life, sport fighting is Bullshido.
I think if they want to fix sport fighting, but keep it safe, they should at least disallow or somehow penalize on a point basis those techniques or habits that would be unsafe or stupid in a real fight.
I thought ‘bullshido’ referred to claiming that a technique or style was made for ‘real life’ and ‘teh street’, when it is, in fact, not. My BJJ instructor is quite clear that he doesn’t suggest people use BJJ for self-defense, but that doesn’t mean that some people don’t. Also, I thought the general argument was that sportfighting, while not perfect, is a relatively more effective way of training for ‘teh street’ than punching air. There are limits to how much you can practice safely. Just like the expression ‘Democracy may be a flawed form of government, but it’s still the best we have right now’.
Okay. If you say it that way, then that’s fine. Every time previously when I raised this argument, everybody wound up calling me a troll and it went to Trollshido or whatever the equivalent was at that point.
But seriously, I think they could fix this by training judges to look at how the fighter is reacting. If they leave their groin open, -1 point. If they leave their neck open, -1 point, back -1, etc. That would train fighters to better guard these target areas, and still keep it safe.
