its not just the herbs…
Forget it, you don’t need IP.
Dude, you are clueless but let me help you out a bit. Guy has a problem with his water heater … has no way of figuring out the problem and calls in water heater expert. Expert comes in … looks at the unit for a few seconds, takes out a hammer and taps a couple of times on the unit. Presto the water heater is fixed and he hands the guy a bill for $400. Guy says … “That’s pretty steep for just a couple of taps.” Expert takes back his bill and writes “$10 for tapping … $390 for knowing where to tap.” and hands it back to the guy.
You guys and your seminars crack me up. You pay for happy horseshit BJJ seminars that are nothing more than variations on a theme and think you got the secret goodies. It’s all stuff that you could figure out on the mat if you weren’t so fucking intellectually lazy.
Yet, when it comes to learning something that is both esoteric & arcane that plays perfectly in today’s World you balk because it’s pricey. Guess you go to the car dealer and piss & moan about not being able to purchase a Mercedes for the same price as a comparable size Ford.
Dale is different than me in this thing. I wouldn’t teach any of you unless you asked me in the correct manner. None of you can buy what I have and there aren’t many of us around that know & are accessible to the public.
Pro-rate the $500 over 3 years and you have a better cost picture.
Guys have no problem paying $600 a year to belong to some artsy fartsy dipshit “health club” … but to learn something that will last a life time for a one time fee of $500 … :5eek:
Whether you believe or are incredulous regarding IP, I think JFS makes a very valid point…especially considering if you pro-rate it over three years. Then again, I came out of the closest as a JFS nutrider about a month ago. =P
Gringo Grande
OK I work in the health field and now a thing or two about ‘herbs’ and what they can and can’t do. Please post this secret, magic , formula - let me know that this man has known something passed down from the ages that scientist don’t. Please tell me, please let me see the double blind studies, I implore you to produce even a shread of anyhing.
As far as me only going to BJJ - I have payed seminar money for BJJ instruction, JKD instruction as well as Muay Thai. More so with the BJJ and why have I done this, because the facets of the sport are so many and so deep, the possibilities are endless. I don’t think it is necessarily a better art but it is complete for what it offers. Paying $60 for a seminar given by a world champ BJJ instructor = great freakin deal and for the record I nor anyone on this board would have the experience, matt time or matt sensitivity to develop and perfect these moves on a world championship level. Again, not saying it is the best but it is pressure tested as are other combative ways. Regardless, it is an argument unending and pointless (like spending $500 bucks for a seminar). Tell me please how an ‘Iron Palm’ can scientifically generate more force than a proper cross or hook.
Please tell me why this guy hasn’t bottled up this herbal formula massed produced it and sold it to the masses. If it is beneficial, then why not? Others have done it and why shouldn’t he? As far as the frivolous argument about wasting $ on things like gym membership; remember for each 1$ you invest in your personal health, the return can be anywhere from $4 to $8 bucks. How do I know this? (I work in this industry) are there studies (many) I can post them and talk to you in length about them. About how it is proven that you will be less ill, that you will be more productive, that it sends healthcare cost down, how people that go to the gym will need less prescriptions and doctor visits per capita, how you will have less sick days, how the quality and quantity of your life will increase so on etc. Wasting $600?? It is an investment in the most important machine (you).
About BJJ there is a difference between discovery and invention. If we as humans relied on discovery, we would not be far. The process of invention has allowed us to continually piggy-back off of other ideas and gadgets and use them to invent something new, it benefits society when this is shared. It is the same with BJJ, I could not discover all I know with needless mat time, I can benefit off of someone elses’ invention though. That being said, isn’t the Iron Palm a ‘variation of a theme’ just like BJJ?
Brilliant.
Lotion, you know nothing about herbs my friend. Nothing at all by your posts. There are ways to prepare them that most herbalist these days have forgotten as its time consuming and makes the house stink. IP herbs are not normal inury herbs. All formulae have a similar base that is built upon by other herbs that open up the pathways to make sure that there are no obstructions for your power to reach your palm. Other herbs are to make sure you have no blood clots break off and travel to a lung, your brain, your heart and kill you. It happens all the time all over the world. People drop dead from an impact injury as the injury itself is a dead mass of blood(blood clots are very dangerous, almost ignored by everyone in the MA, WTF is up with that?). Others help to condition the bones, sinews and tissues to help them get stronger from the trauma that you are introducing to them by hitting a bag of hard material.
Most people that will sell you the herbs in large amount will sell them to you for 450 dollars and up. Just for the IP herbs. No formula and no instruction. Just the herbs. Other teachers charge you 250 for the herbs. I have heard of one West Coast teacher who wanted 7 grand for his formula as then you can go out and sell it to your students.
Im offering to teach you the whole program from start to finish along with all the pitfalls that may be encountered as well as having the written formula for you to have for the rest of your lives for IP training. As a bonus Ill even throw in a very decent injury formula that will be great for all the other bumps and bruises you encounter. You get the whole thing. Wing Lam doesnt teach you the whole thing on his vid. There are many things they hold back. The prelim exercises that make it more effective. How standing meditation factors into the equation. No meditation means no power in Kung Fu systems. The formula is not the end all. Its the formula plus your other exercises that help to forge the hand and the ability to hit harder.
I will not post the formula. What the hell would that do other than have a bunch of dimwits going out getting the formula and then have at a bag of material and not knowing what in hell they are doing mess themselves up.
I have bled, sweat and earned my material. You have not. You want it then you pay for it. Nothing is free. Nothing.
Again Im amazed at the interest the thread started and then when offered pretty much all of you said oh my god its so expensive. Funny how some people here on the this forum have ponied up the money as fast as they could as they know what this means.
No one wants it then so be it.
You want it, you know where you can reach me.
Cheaply? some of them are getting harder and harder to get. The amounts needed for some of them cost anywhere from 45 bucks when the seasons are right all the way up to 100 in the middle of winter and no one has access.
Not all the herbs are cheap and the amounts used and considerable. I fill up a 2 gallon sized baggie with the whole formula.
Besides Im taking my time to schlep it into Chinatown and get these for people. hell yeah they are going to be paying me for my time.
Again with this I deserve something attitude with the youngsters.
You have no idea the gift Im offering to anyone.
No idea.
Scientist “know” nothing not backed by the Pharm. concerns and supported by NIH. Scientists are whores for hire … period. They are also liars and thieves. If you think research centers are nodes of excellence then you fubar.
Paying $60 for a seminar given by a world champ BJJ instructor = great freakin deal and for the record I nor anyone on this board would have the experience, matt time or matt sensitivity to develop and perfect these moves on a world championship level.
Shit … I should start charging you guys for squaring away your defective thinking.
Try to follow this … a World Champion is much like an older TCMA Sifu … the worst possible person to try to learn from.
Why? Because they have internalized so much that they have completely forgot what was “difficult” and what was “easy” to learn. Doing the difficult things with ease is a hallmark of a “World Champion” or authentic Master.
So, you paid $60 to suck around some guy that is where you want to be or dreamed of being. Don’t try to bullshit me … I’ve been in this thing for over 4 decades and there is nothing I haven’t seen or heard before. Hell, I probably even believed some of the same shit you have bought into at one point in time.
Again, not saying it is the best but it is pressure tested as are other combative ways.
You are living in your own private Idaho … BJJ is a very, very small slice of the whole. Pressure tested my ass … it’s pure formal Comp setting and nothing more.
Who the fuck do you think you are talking to … someone who fell off the bus yesterday?
Regardless, it is an argument unending and pointless (like spending $500 bucks for a seminar).
Smart ass punk.
Tell me please how an ‘Iron Palm’ can scientifically generate more force than a proper cross or hook.
What you know about Newtonian Mechanics wouldn’t fill a thimble is you have to ask that question. Go to the Seminar and challenge Dale …you know … with your BJJ. Pressure test him … report back on what happened to you … after you get out of the hospital.
That being said, isn’t the Iron Palm a ‘variation of a theme’ just like BJJ?
Nope … piss poor analogy and thanks for demonstrating the upper limits of your intellect. About on par with the common Earth Worm … almost.
Fuck this guy, Dale. He’s a punk sack of shit in love with rolling around with other guys jerking each other off about how real they are … yeah … real … real queers.
Post my formula? Nope.
would not do you anygood as you have no idea what you are looking at. The herbs are part of the puzzle that needs to be put together with other things and then you get a whole. Not just the hitting, not just the meditations, not just the restrictions, etc…
The traditional program you only train your dominant hand.
You have no idea of the gift Im offering you. None.
Come talk to me when you want to train.
admittedly there are herbs and such that can help the body that science has yet to do comprehensive studies on. Too much time and $$. THere are things out there that can heal the body that people have used for centuries. again admittedly my post were somewhat reactive to JFS post. I still think $500 is too much, that is just MO, doesn’t mean anything. His post added fuel to the fire, reason being he claims the stuff that I enjoy is nonsense so I called him on it because I know it is not. Now if this is the same case with your product, then my arguments are pointless. I was just trying to make a point.
On a side note, I was also a bit pissed when some people came down on FdT for showing his rings. I know that perhaps he should have not posted that thread because it is self serving but you could make the same point about this thread right? Anyways I will admit that I don’t know anything about IP or the herbs that make this; as a reult I will delete my previous post for this reason. In addition the posts clog up your thread. My apologies
Dude, what you “do” I wouldn’t wipe my ass on. However, if you can make one of the monthly Maryland Throwdowns I’ll be happy to show just how delusional you are. In short, bring it on, or in the alternative, STFU and piss off … boy.
It’s worth it. Especially for you.
[QUOTE=JFS USA]Scientist “know” nothing not backed by the Pharm. concerns and supported by NIH. Scientists are whores for hire … period. They are also liars and thieves. If you think research centers are nodes of excellence then you fubar.
correct and incorrect. Pharm companies are pretty freakin evil and love to keep people medicated. There are some places with more integrity than this, all you got to do it look for them.
Shit … I should start charging you guys for squaring away your defective thinking.
Try to follow this … a World Champion is much like an older TCMA Sifu … the worst possible person to try to learn from.
Why? Because they have internalized so much that they have completely forgot what was “difficult” and what was “easy” to learn. Doing the difficult things with ease is a hallmark of a “World Champion” or authentic Master.
So, you paid $60 to suck around some guy that is where you want to be or dreamed of being. Don’t try to bullshit me … I’ve been in this thing for over 4 decades and there is nothing I haven’t seen or heard before. Hell, I probably even believed some of the same shit you have bought into at one point in time.
there is a point to be made here. Someone at that level may not be able to understand what you need to learn and I have not been satisfied with all of the seminars that I have been to but some have helped me greatly.
You are living in your own private Idaho … BJJ is a very, very small slice of the whole. Pressure tested my ass … it’s pure formal Comp setting and nothing more.
Who the fuck do you think you are talking to … someone who fell off the bus yesterday?
BJJ aside, I have not seen anything compete with combative arts (judo, boxing, BJJ, wrestling etc). I would like to see some more stuff but these people would have to show their skill rather than simply talk about it.
What you know about Newtonian Mechanics wouldn’t fill a thimble is you have to ask that question. Go to the Seminar and challenge Dale …you know … with your BJJ. Pressure test him … report back on what happened to you … after you get out of the hospital.
I am not challenging anyone. never have, never will - I just want to be shown what I am missing. Dale gave his reasons for not giving out his Rx I can respect that. I still don’t see how IP can generate as much power as say a boxer but I could very well be wrong.
Erase your posts and I will erase mine.
and on that side note … I have stated my opinion to Dale as well . I like Bullshido to be free of threads advertising this product or this chinese miracle herb . If there are tons of threads of everyone trying to grab cash from one another , it really kills the credibility of the site .
I know some the Mods and more respected members have schools and gyms , and are instructors … It would look like shit if their posts did nothing but serve as advertisements . I have never seen any of them start a stupid thread in an off topic section that just happens to have the most volume and views just to pimp off their products . NEVER …
On Topic
500 Bucks ? What the hell ? Show some love here … your breaking my balls man …
ok now you are crossing the line a bit. Some people here know that I train under the Lloyd Irvin Martial Arts Association. Come to any of our dojos, you probably would not get to fight me though because there would be plenty of people jumping at the bit. Just come down, if you think what we do is BS. They do take challenge matches. It seems you really like pushing the ‘lets fight’ envelope, fine whatever tickles your pickle. It is not my bag. I enjoy MA because it offers me exercise, nothing more. Just like my weightlifting or jogging. I love watching the throwdowns, I don’t go to them but they are friggen great. BJJ stylist all over show their art in ‘throwdowns’ so I don’t know what your problem is.
Oh yea before you call me boy; trust me you don’t know who you are talking to, I will leave it at that. I will be happy to erase my post for the sake of the thread but I want you to do the same.
I remain, Lotion :ninja7:
Maybe if I HAD $500 to spare…
perhaps there should be a forum just for promotion. think about it, people here are obviously into seminars, a listing would not be bad
I don’t know one way or the other what you have to offer. But I do know there are tons of books, videos, etc. that discuss Iron Palm training. My point? Only that this is the “information age” and someone offering up suspect knowledge at the questionable price of $400 (over the Internet no less) needs to pony up a bit more than some Internet/forum posting melodrama.
-daGorilla
its called Trollshido … I think anyone should be able to post there … even people in marketing …