[quote=Tonuzaba;2236632]How else to know than by sparring?[/quote]Sometimes when you train, you will train properly. Then you will learn how to fight.
And if you don’t train properly, you’ll get your ass kicked.
… by sparring.
And by taking a few solid hits along the way.
I do not like sparring. Sparring is just an exercise. Some time can make good for training reflexes, but trainer will teach you how to block when holding pads. You do not need it as much. I do not like it because of injury that happens a lot.
But you can not test your technique properly in sparring. You need to fight properly to know you are good fighting. Sparring is your friend hit you. You will smile at him. Maybe you will nod. You want to tell him he is good. But you can not do that in real fight. If you tell your opponent he is good he will become strong much, much more.
In real fight, when you test your technique, maybe you get hit many times. I do not smile or nod. It was not bad technique when I get hit if opponent is not standing at end of fighting.
But then you know what skills work and what do not. But only the fighter will know. In styles there are many skills, but if someone is good at fighting with a style then all people will think the style will work. But only a fighter who has win many times knows what parts of the style helped him, and what only waste his energy.
If you think you can sparring use the same style as a good fighter you saw on TV, but you may not be a good fighter yourself. You can only become good if you fight many times, and test many times, then you can see how your own style working and change when you need. But if you want to fight, you should not sparring. It is not fun fighting with hurting legs.
But when you do test and yourself have good skills, only think the skill that hurt your opponent will work. If you did a skill many times in a fight but it never helped you to win then do not tell anyone that skill is good skill. Because skill that not work to help you win only waste time and energy that maybe you would need more.
This is why Muay Thai is not use much skills anymore, it is because all fighters have test many times and only want to use what make them win many times.
But you will never learn this in sparring; if you can not win in sparring with sleeping opponent KO then you can test nothing. Sparring only a simple training exercise that will help for simple relflexes and maybe feel your injury hurting.
[quote=SarahSunwalker;2239741]I do not like sparring. Sparring is just an exercise. Some time can make good for training reflexes, but trainer will teach you how to block when holding pads. You do not need it as much. I do not like it because of injury that happens a lot.
But you can not test your technique properly in sparring. You need to fight properly to know you are good fighting. Sparring is your friend hit you. You will smile at him. Maybe you will nod. You want to tell him he is good. But you can not do that in real fight. If you tell your opponent he is good he will become strong much, much more.
In real fight, when you test your technique, maybe you get hit many times. I do not smile or nod. It was not bad technique when I get hit if opponent is not standing at end of fighting.
But then you know what skills work and what do not. But only the fighter will know. In styles there are many skills, but if someone is good at fighting with a style then all people will think the style will work. But only a fighter who has win many times knows what parts of the style helped him, and what only waste his energy.
If you think you can sparring use the same style as a good fighter you saw on TV, but you may not be a good fighter yourself. You can only become good if you fight many times, and test many times, then you can see how your own style working and change when you need. But if you want to fight, you should not sparring. It is not fun fighting with hurting legs.
But when you do test and yourself have good skills, only think the skill that hurt your opponent will work. If you did a skill many times in a fight but it never helped you to win then do not tell anyone that skill is good skill. Because skill that not work to help you win only waste time and energy that maybe you would need more.
This is why Muay Thai is not use much skills anymore, it is because all fighters have test many times and only want to use what make them win many times.
But you will never learn this in sparring; if you can not win in sparring with sleeping opponent KO then you can test nothing. Sparring only a simple training exercise that will help for simple relflexes and maybe feel your injury hurting.[/quote]Muay Thai has no skill? Sparring develops reflexes but it isn’t good?
If a style won once or twice, TKD, Wing Chun, Kempo, and Ninjutsu would rule the world.
Muay Thai has a large body of work for its effectiveness.
Boxing has a large body of work for its effectiveness.
BJJ has a large body of work for its effectiveness.
Wrestling has a large body of work for its effectiveness.
Judo has a large body of work for its effectiveness.
All of those arts SPAR.
Also, you do understand that you are supposed to use what you are good at right? Your argument of “well, they only use what works therefore, it is not skilled” is just plain stupid.
I’m tempted to move this to YMAS it is very silly.
I did not say Muay Thai has no skill. Do not get confused.
I said I mean technique, or a single one move. Muay Thai has as many skills as any Kung Fu before now. Muay Boran is very complex. But now many skill, it did not work in sport. Lots of Muay Boran is not use much now. This is what I mean.
Everyday, a fighter learns something stupid. When he fights, it does not work; he will not use it again. Now Muay Thai has very basic skills, but very effective.
It is not uncommon to see a traditional Muay Thai fight use only these weapons; accross and up elbow, jab and straight punch, round kick, front kick, clinch wrestle and knee. I see many fights of very good fighters use only these weapons.
Maybe you can spar if you want. Maybe it is fun for you. But if you think your skill is coming from only sparring then I think you are confused. Skill that comes from sparring is not always skill that will defeat your opponent is what I say. You sparring your friend, you do not know if what you used would have win for you. So you only guessing.
But Muay Thai do not spar much. Most gyms in Thailand have no sparring. I think a lot because it is dangerous and if you hurt before a fight maybe you miss out on fight. Also because most Thai people think a fight is supposed to make you win, but cannot win in sparring so it is just stupid. If sparring your friend, the Thai man want to show his skill is work, so it is a challenge. A lot of men will go to other gyms to spar them, is better than hurt your friend and maybe embarass a professional. My gym, we do not sparring at all, but have many professional fighters who fight very well, so this show best skill is test in the ring.
Also, I think if Ninja are real, the police would arrest them this time. I think you are the silly one for believe in them.
Hahaha I see who is confused.
Also, I think if Ninja are real, the police would arrest them this time. I think you are the silly one for believe in them.
Actually, ninjas have been arrested so, yeah.
Second I said style you do know people claim to practice ninjutsu right?
Third why are you doing the broken English thing when you didn’t with this account?
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[quote=SarahSunwalker;2239818]I did not say Muay Thai has no skill. Do not get confused.
But Muay Thai do not spar much. Most gyms in Thailand have no sparring. I think a lot because it is dangerous and if you hurt before a fight maybe you miss out on fight. Also because most Thai people think a fight is supposed to make you win, but cannot win in sparring so it is just stupid.[/quote]
What?! did you seriously just say that??
wow you’d better strap your seat belts and put on your hate blockers cuze that statement is gonna get a shit storm if it gets out to the MT community on the site. Most epecially sang and kidspatula…
Sarah… all of your posts are just insane. Totally insane! Sparring is bad becouse it hurts? MT doesnt work anymore?
Name your gym.
Name your fighters & their titles.
Sarah, please do. I’m also interested. I thought every MT gym spars… Isn’t that how you test a technique or a skill set under pressure? Sparring being a safer but necessary way of pressure testing?
[quote=It is Fake;2239832]Hahaha I see who is confused.
Actually, ninjas have been arrested so, yeah.
Second I said style you do know people claim to practice ninjutsu right?
Third why are you doing the broken English thing when you didn’t with this account?
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Yes, but some people also say they are Vampire, or say they are Jedi. But I not think it is true.
I think Ninja were lived long, long time ago and would have been very powerful, maybe have body look same like the Thai Boxer today. They were probably not as quiet and can not fly like people say back then, but I think they will still fuck you bad on the street if they are paid money.
But the men who you think are Ninja are fat and a lot of time very stupid; if you follow them and believe them, I think maybe you would be fat and stupid too. Hehehe…
I can not see the link you put. I know what you saying. That was me too. Lost password. Can’t be fucked right proper. My views on punching change a lot since then.
But I just wanted to say the person who think the punch must be test in sparring is not right. The punch test in fight will prove everything. A punch test in sparring has no effect; you only want punch that has real effect, you must see this effect before you trust the punch. You will not learn this in sparring.
Hahaha, you all do not know real Muay Thai.
I can promise you Americans love to spar so much. It is not common practice in Thailand, and we prove sparring is not what you say it is; do you know Buakaw fights for Por Pramuk gym, and they never spar. He win K-1; better than sparring Americans.
Yes, sparring is nothing compaired to real Muay Thai training. My gym has many fighters and we do not spar. Our trainer chooses teach us like this, and he used to be Champion of Thailand through Lumpini. He teaches us what he tested and what he knows work.
I think sparring is important for those only too afraid to fight. People from my gym, they will fight 2 times every month. They cannot afford risk of hurt in sparring. But these are the people who go to be Champion of the world.
ChinaBoxer, did you follow me here?
[quote=Ben Grimm;2240012]Sarah, please do. I’m also interested. I thought every MT gym spars… Isn’t that how you test a technique or a skill set under pressure? Sparring being a safer but necessary way of pressure testing?[/quote]I do not really think so.
First, we learn the skills of blocking with randomness through pad work; the trainer always hit back many times, and this is safe, fun and also proven to work.
Second, I do not have faith in the goals of sparring; is the goal to not get hit? It certainly is not to KO your friend. But some good fighters fight, get hit many times. It is not an important thing in fist fighting.
When you talk about pressure testing, you are speaking only of mediocre skill that is irrelevant in a fight.
I also hate the no power thing. Most people think if your friend land a jab in sparring, it is not important. Well, I’m a right handed southpaw and let me tell you, a good jab from me is very important. People in sparring will not pay attention to things like this.
It is all up in the air, maybe you spar if you want; I am not saying it is real bad; but I hate it when people think that it is the testing that will build you as a fighter and prove that things work. You only know your skill works when your opponent is sleeping at your feet, end uv story.
[quote=SarahSunwalker;2240235]Hahaha, you all do not know real Muay Thai.
I can promise you Americans love to spar so much. It is not common practice in Thailand, and we prove sparring is not what you say it is; do you know Buakaw fights for Por Pramuk gym, and they never spar. He win K-1; better than sparring Americans.
Yes, sparring is nothing compaired to real Muay Thai training. My gym has many fighters and we do not spar. Our trainer chooses teach us like this, and he used to be Champion of Thailand through Lumpini. He teaches us what he tested and what he knows work.
I think sparring is important for those only too afraid to fight. People from my gym, they will fight 2 times every month. They cannot afford risk of hurt in sparring. But these are the people who go to be Champion of the world.[/quote]ah, yea, i do understand what you’re trying to say here, and it’s made me think about your trying to say, which is actually very profound. i think the confusion is more a misunderstanding of “symantics” than anything else. i will say that SaraSunWalker does talk from experience since he trains primarily in Thailand, since i have never trained in Thailand but have many years of Muay Thai experience here in the states, i think it’s important to listen from someone’s point of view that i neccessarily haven’t had the privilege to experience. although we don’t have to all agree, i think it’s important to at least “listen” to someones experiences and “see things from their point of view”. anyways, that’s my 2cents, take care and peace!
Jin
Jin is a master.
Yes, I agree; listen to others.
But I still do think the traditional way of Muay Thai is number one, and I think it has been proved thousands of times.
You haven’t named your gym yet.
Also, there are oddly UK-esque phrases thrown into your Thai broken English. Just thought you might like to know.
[quote=SarahSunwalker;2240243]Jin is a master.
Yes, I agree; listen to others.
But I still do think the traditional way of Muay Thai is number one, and I think it has been proved thousands of times.[/quote]lol…i’m no master, unless it’s a “master bater”…=D
i think it’s the wording that’s giving people pause and hesitation and of course on a forum such as this one, they are going to retaliate the only way they can…with words.
but basically, and i could be wrong here, is that you’re trying to say, muay thai, as you are taught/training in Thailand, is not about “winning and losing” and “testing your skill in the ring”, but rather, about “life and death” and “testing your skill in your life”. and in that context, what’s to prove? and that to me is very profound and thought provoking.
take care and peace!
Jin