[quote=It is Fake;2275693]
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None of you guys have answered my questions or critiqued my training description. All you guys do is insult me and my training. Where is the inteligent discussion?
Your questions are irrelavant and vague and your ‘training’ videos are excrement.
Does that constitute as a critique?
[quote=sainthamish;2275852]Your questions are irrelavant and vague and your ‘training’ videos are excrement.
Does that constitute as a critique?[/quote]
No. You’re not being specific. Stop the insults, I never acted like dick with any of you.
:englishmo
And by “training description”, I mean this:
[quote=karateman911;2275469]Thanks a lot for this review, its quite well written and thought out.
But the video that I posted of him in the state championship, does show pretty good skill. His kicks look powerful and quick, you cannot deny that this is good fighting?
I hear a lot of guys on hear talking bad about TKD because its just kicks–while this is true, I can say the same for a lot of other arts–boxing is just limited to two fists, wrestling is just limited to grappling with no strikes, BJJ is just grappling with no punches or kicks. This is why cross-training is necessary and Michael Giampietro even told me that boxing is necessary to learn. He even told me that if I did not learn wrestling that I would never become a good fighter.
I have to admit that that MMA video is sloppy, but it was the only one I could find. But Michael teaches boxing and TKD every monday night, he then teaches grappling every wendsay night with the help of another man who competed in no-gi JJ. Michael’s uncle Matt Giampietro is a college wrestling coach for I beleive the Pittston area. Michael even brought Matt to do a seminar to help our grappling class (but this is before I joined the school)
I doubt the school is a mcdojo because TKD is $75 a month with training being everyday with the MMA classes included in the package (because he beleives that you must learn boxing and grappling in order to be a good fighter). MMA is $50 a month for three days a week (mon, wed, and thursday) and we are allowed to come to the school the rest of the week to hit bags, spar, roll, ect.
Monday night is striking night and involves lots of sit-ups, v-ups, russian twists, push-ups, pull-ups, hitting pads (usually for three to five rounds each student) and sparring (which will usually be boxing or kickboxing rules) Everything is trained alive and I garenttee you will sweat. The promise sparring you saw in the video did look sloppy but you must understand that some of those kids were new and like everything else need more training. Even Anderson Silva does light sparring:
YouTube- Anderson Silva UFC MW Champion with Kru Nestor
Am I saying that we are equal to Anderson Silva? No. But you see my point.
Also, every tuesday night the TKD class gets together and does full-contact, ALIVE sparring for the entire hour, high kicks to the face are allowed and you can go as hard as you want. Here’s a clip:
YouTube- NSMA Sparring Lesson July 2009
Anyways, back to the MMA:
Tuesday is all grappling with lots of foward rolls, backward rolls, bear crawls, partner bear crawls (those kick my ass), crab walks, 360 crab walks, shrimps etc. We drill the kimura lock, rear naked choke, arm bar, gotoplata, omnoplata, double leg, single leg, sprawls, scissor choke, traingle, arm traingle etc. We also do clock drills – full mount–>knee on belly—>side control—>judo side—>north/south position—>back to judo side—>back to knee on belly—>back to full mount (if I remember this correctly 
)
We then do drills from gaurd with one trying to pass gaurd and the other trying to maintain his gaurd.
Sometimes we do a sumo drill called “king of the hill” with two guys in a circle trying to push each other off the circle.
Another drill we do is two guys get into the standard wrestling clinch with one trying to maintain his position while the other pulls and turns him trying to force him to move–this is a good balance drill and also a great workout for your neck.
The class then ends with rolling, you roll with one guy for two minutes, you then switch to the next opponet and this can go on for a while.
I saw the entire Matt Thornton video on here and I agree with him totally on aliveness and my school’s training does not contradict this. Even our pad works is done with foot work.
Thursday’s class is open matt where we can do pretty much we want: boxing, rolling, kickboxing, tkd sparring, or MMA style sparring.
The MMA sparring is hard, light, to no contact to the face depending on what kind of gloves you have (thin MMA gloves or 16 ounce MMA gloves, Michael told us all to buy the 16 ounce gloves so that we all can go full-contact but most of the people have been slow to this, I for one bought a pair) If you have the really thin MMA gloves its light to no contact to face with full-as-hard-as-you-want-contact to body (and beleive me its pretty painful). But if both sparring partners have the 16 ounce gloves then we can go as hard as we want to the face as well.
The MMA sparring with thin gloves is very much in this fashion (but not equal to):
YouTube- Marcello Monteiro, Chris Lytle and Miguel Torres in 2003
Kick boxing sparring is like this:
YouTube- Miguel Torres WEC Bantamweight sparring at Miguel Cotto’s training camp in Florida
and kickboxing like this:
YouTube- Bullshido Throwdown muay thai vs san da clumsyninja vs question
I have not been able to go to class for 3 weeks now because of a brusied rib (body shot with 16 ounce MMA glove by a training partner who has four years boxing expierence, tkd blackbelt–I think from ITF, and about 60 pounds heavier then me) but I will be returning next week.
The classes are hard but very fun and the enviorment is quite open and freindly. If anybody hear on bullshido lives near the school, I would encourage any one of you to come by and train with us (Mike will give you a free class) and I’m pretty sure you’ll enjoy it–if not–thats fine too.
Hope this helped,
Karateman911[/quote]
[quote=sainthamish;2275852]Your questions are irrelavant and vague and your ‘training’ videos are excrement.
Does that constitute as a critique?[/quote]
this.
sorry bro, but your vids of your training are just rubbish. bad sloppy technique, typical tkd crap. what do you want? to hear something nice? welcome to reality. you study at a subpar school and i would recommend finding a REAL wrestling coach and a REAL boxing coach who can teach you REAL skills.
[quote=Alex;2275888]this.
sorry bro, but your vids of your training are just rubbish. bad sloppy technique, typical tkd crap. what do you want? to hear something nice? welcome to reality. you study at a subpar school and i would recommend finding a REAL wrestling coach and a REAL boxing coach who can teach you REAL skills.[/quote]
But this is an old vid. These students have progressed immensely. Hopefully one day we’ll get some vids of us sparring recently to show our progress.
And no I was not expecting you guys to say our skills our good, I wanted you guys to read what I wrote describing our training and to critique that; pros and cons.
You can have a class filled with noobs and of course their skills will be sloppy because they are beginners, but it does not mean that their training is bad. Training is only bad if the students do not progress.
Our training has aliveness and I thought that in the Bullshido community, this is what matters the most. We are not a school that has TOO D34DLY TO SPAR crap, we are a school that has alive training with contact sparring.
TKD is only good if it is trained alive–the same goes for BJJ, MT, etc. TKD is also a great way to enhance your kickboxing game since it forces you to only use feet–its pretty much isolation sparring. Its also great conditioning for your legs.
I have only been training for 7 months but my skills (not being perfect) have progressed.
Wait, you think because you train alive it makes everything okay? There are tons of schools that spar. It really doesn’t make everything okay.
No.
Also, please stop talking like you know what you are talking about.
[quote=It is Fake;2275917]Wait, you think because you train alive it makes everything okay? There are tons of schools that spar. It really doesn’t make everything okay.
No.
Also, please stop talking like you know what you are talking about.[/quote]
What makes you think that I know nothing? I train there, I know how the training is. What makes you think I’m not saying facts about the training?
Please, educate me. You say they are tons of schools that spar, I understand that you need to spar with good technique. You can’t just spar without going through combos (EX: jab, jab, cross). You must train the combos and then spar, testing yourself under pressure. This is what we do. Am I wrong? It Is Fake, I remember how you posted a thread on kung-fu, saying how you are suppose to practice the form and then apply it under pressure, and I totally agree with you on that, this is what we do in our training: drill combos like crazy and then apply it in sparring.
You guys talk too vaguely. Its just “you suck” without any detailed criticism. Please read through my written description of our training on the first page of this thread and please critique it–pros and cons.
[quote=karateman911;2275925]
You guys talk too vaguely. Its just “you suck” without any detailed criticism. Please read through my written description of our training on the first page of this thread and please critique it–pros and cons.[/quote]
You want detailed criticism? Fine, go to any of the schools listed on Bullshido and ask nicely to test your skills vs. one of their students of equal rank (belt/experience/etc).
You will then receive 1st hand criticism straight from your opponent’s fist/grapple/kick/etc.
Come back and post experiences.
/thread.
I’m talking about you trying to tell us what is Alive when you obviously do not understand the term. I’m talking about you trying to tell us what Bullshido is about.’
Please, educate me. You say they are tons of schools that spar, I understand that you need to spar with good technique. You can’t just spar without going through combos (EX: jab, jab, cross). You must train the combos and then spar, testing yourself under pressure. This is what we do. Am I wrong?
Yes, you are wrong.
If a school is teaching crappy, poor or made up techniques all the sparring in the world isn’t going to help.
It Is Fake, I remember how you posted a thread on kung-fu, saying how you are suppose to practice the form and then apply it under pressure, and I totally agree with you on that, this is what we do in our training: drill combos like crazy and then apply it in sparring.
You don’t remember anything. You better go find that thread and get the entire context of the conversation.
You guys talk too vaguely. Its just “you suck” without any detailed criticism. Please read through my written description of our training on the first page of this thread and please critique it–pros and cons.
No.
Read through the description yourself and see what you are doing.
OP your like the kid that cant stop masturbating in the bathroom even though he keeps getting caught.
Let it go, move on.
I’m talking about you trying to tell us what is Alive when you obviously do not understand the term. I’m talking about you trying to tell us what Bullshido is about.’
How have I explained aliveness wrong?
Alive mean there’s movement, timing and energy.
We have movement (footwork, not in a dead pattern), timing (knowing when to strike, not moving in a predictible pattern, hence being part of aliveness) and there’s energy (hitting like were really hitting)
Yes, you are wrong.
If a school is teaching crappy, poor or made up techniques all the sparring in the world isn’t going to help.
Prove that we are teaching crappy technique. This is an assumption. Is jab, jab, cross poor technique? what about jab, left hook, cross, left hook? Or what about ducking, throwing right and left hooks to the body and then exploding up with a right hook to the face? These are combinations that we drill on the pads and bag all the time and then commit them in sparring.
You don’t remember anything. You better go find that thread and get the entire context of the conversation.
…But…But…But…it doesn’t look like kung fu - No BS MMA and Martial Arts
From you: "This is not the entirety of the art. It boils down to what you do with it in a live manner. No, the sparring doesn’t look exactly like what is done WITHOUT an opponent. Forms are forms they do not transfer move by move by move into a sparring match, competition or a fight.
People need to divorce themselves of this notion when they argue.
No, I’m not advocating forms. I enjoy forms as a function a part of the whole. I understand people see them as unnecessary and I completely understand that argument. I think, in the proper context, they are necessary. […] Still, if anything can go forms are first IMO if, you are learning Self Defense and fighting."
In the thread you post a video of somebody doing a bajiquan form then a little later you post a vid called Baji contest in Cangzhou 1988 to show “application.”
No. Read through the description yourself and see what you are doing.
Since you (I say this sincerly) have more martial arts experience then I, could you please critique it:
Monday night is striking night and involves lots of sit-ups, v-ups, russian twists, push-ups, pull-ups, hitting pads (usually for three to five rounds each student) and sparring (which will usually be boxing or kickboxing rules) Everything is trained alive and I garenttee you will sweat.
I also must add that we drill combos (ex: jab cross, round house kick) on the pads and also in shadow boxing. Also, as far as conditioning, I must add that we work with a medicen ball as well, hitting the abs with it and doing sit-ups with them, etc.
Tuesday is all grappling with lots of foward rolls, backward rolls, bear crawls, partner bear crawls (those kick my ass), crab walks, 360 crab walks, shrimps etc. We drill the kimura lock, rear naked choke, arm bar, gotoplata, omnoplata, double leg, single leg, sprawls, scissor choke, traingle, arm traingle etc. We also do clock drills – full mount–>knee on belly—>side control—>judo side—>north/south position—>back to judo side—>back to knee on belly—>back to full mount (if I remember this correctly
We then do drills from gaurd with one trying to pass gaurd and the other trying to maintain his gaurd.
Sometimes we do a sumo drill called “king of the hill” with two guys in a circle trying to push each other off the circle.
Another drill we do is two guys get into the standard wrestling clinch with one trying to maintain his position while the other pulls and turns him trying to force him to move–this is a good balance drill and also a great workout for your neck.
The class then ends with rolling, you roll with one guy for two minutes, you then switch to the next opponet and this can go on for a while.
Edit: its wednesay night.
Thursday’s class is open matt where we can do pretty much we want: boxing, rolling, kickboxing, tkd sparring, or MMA style sparring.
The MMA sparring is hard, light, to no contact to the face depending on what kind of gloves you have (thin MMA gloves or 16 ounce MMA gloves, Michael told us all to buy the 16 ounce gloves so that we all can go full-contact but most of the people have been slow to this, I for one bought a pair) If you have the really thin MMA gloves its light to no contact to face with full-as-hard-as-you-want-contact to body (and beleive me its pretty painful). But if both sparring partners have the 16 ounce gloves then we can go as hard as we want to the face as well.
[quote=karateman911;2276080]
Edit: its wednesay night.[/quote]
‘wednesday’ or Wednesday? It may seem pedantic, but speeling is rafer impootant.
[quote=karateman911;2276080]How have I explained aliveness wrong?
Alive mean there’s movement, timing and energy.
We have movement (footwork, not in a dead pattern), timing (knowing when to strike, not moving in a predictible pattern, hence being part of aliveness) and there’s energy (hitting like were really hitting) [/quote]
This has everything you are talking about.
YouTube- point sparring
Prove that we are teaching crappy technique. This is an assumption. Is jab, jab, cross poor technique? what about jab, left hook, cross, left hook? Or what about ducking, throwing right and left hooks to the body and then exploding up with a right hook to the face? These are combinations that we drill on the pads and bag all the time and then commit them in sparring.
A school. Do you understand English? “A SCHOOL.” I do not know your school. What I do know is your instructor appropriates shit he doesn’t know.
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That makes certain things he teaches crappy. That is an admission FROM YOU.
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From you: "This is not the entirety of the art. It boils down to what you do with it in a live manner. No, the sparring doesn’t look exactly like what is done WITHOUT an opponent. Forms are forms they do not transfer move by move by move into a sparring match, competition or a fight.
People need to divorce themselves of this notion when they argue.
No, I’m not advocating forms. I enjoy forms as a function a part of the whole. I understand people see them as unnecessary and I completely understand that argument. I think, in the proper context, they are necessary. […] Still, if anything can go forms are first IMO if, you are learning Self Defense and fighting."
Now, let’s juxtapose that with what you said.
It Is Fake, I remember how you posted a thread on kung-fu, saying how you are suppose to practice the form and then apply it under pressure, and I totally agree with you on that, this is what we do in our training: drill combos like crazy and then apply it in sparring.
So wait, I understand why people deem forms as unnecessary, I state I am not advocating forms, I say “I” enjoy forms, that forms do not transfer move by move to sparring and that when training FOR SELF DEFENSE the first thing that can go are forms.
Yet, you took that to mean:
I remember how you posted a thread on kung-fu, saying how you are suppose to practice the form and then apply it under pressure, and I totally agree with you on that, this is what we do in our training: drill combos like crazy and then apply it in sparring.
Yeah…no.
In the thread you post a video of somebody doing a bajiquan form then a little later you post a vid called Baji contest in Cangzhou 1988 to show “application.”
The videos I posted is of a technique, done out of sequence, that would be considered a flashy kung fu specific technique.
Since you (I say this sincerly) have more martial arts experience then I, could you please critique it:
Nope, you are already on the defensive about your school.
This has everything you are talking about.
YouTube- point sparring
We don’t do point sparring.
YouTube- NSMA, 1999 Texas State Championships, Michael Giampietro, Gold
A school. Do you understand English? “A SCHOOL.” I do not know your school. What I do know is your instructor appropriates shit he doesn’t know. That makes certain things he teaches crappy. That is an admission FROM YOU.
Actually, he does teach what he knows. I just admited that he does not have rank in bjj which is why he likes to have guys who have more experince in grappling to help train us. He simply helps us train in what he knows and that is all. You can’t say he doesn’t know anything because he does. He does not say that he knows everything in BJJ, if he did he would not be getting help from a wrestling coach (his uncle) or a no gi BJJer to help us train.
So wait, I understand why people deem forms as unnecessary, I state I am not advocating forms, I say “I” enjoy forms, that forms do not transfer move by move to sparring and that when training FOR SELF DEFENSE the first thing that can go are forms.
And I agree with you. I never said that the form will go move by move in sparring. What I was trying to point out was that I agreed with you that you must know technique before you spar because sparing without having a knowladge of technique is useless. And like you said: “It boils down to what you do with it in a live manner” --I understand that within the form they are kicks, punches, etc. that you must learn and use under pressure (sparring).
About forms being the first to go in self-defence–I was simply putting your whole quote just to be fair in placing your whole opinion down and not just a part of it. Forms may be useless but the strikes within them are not–This I’m sure you agree with. You posted a video of a form and then posted a vid showing application in sparring useing the strikes within the form.
er… not to be too rude in this… but the guys have got a point… if you’re happy with your dojo, dont ask us if it’s bullshido.
come on, you asked for a critical analysis…
prices do sound good 
but it doesnt change the fact that a one year black belt screams the word “mcdojo”.
however, if you enjopy your training go for it more power to you, just consider what you’re posting in future…
Its a mcdojo and bullshido because he doesnt know MMA or any form of grappling but is teaching it to make money! I ANSWERD THIS QUESTION BEFORE PAY ATTENTION
Your school sucks, all the students have very crappy technique probably because they have been taught that way find some where better qualified to train or keep pretending.
It seems to me a TKD school has just decided to cash in on MMA
The same thing is happening in my town, a shitty Karate club with Thai boxing class (with knife defense?) and MMA classes, im tempted to go down and kick there heads in but i dont think it works like that anymore except in the movies
He’s not listening. He needs to grow up. Don’t ask questions if you are afraid of the answers.
Also, learn how to read. I didn’t say you point spar. Your whole argument is your school trains alive because, of your definition of alivenes.
I’m saying your definition is flawed. It doesn’t not make a school automatically qualify with aliveness.
How have I explained aliveness wrong?
Alive mean there’s movement, timing and energy.
No that isn’t all to aliveness.
We have movement (footwork, not in a dead pattern), timing (knowing when to strike, not moving in a predictible pattern, hence being part of aliveness) and there’s energy (hitting like were really hitting)
I then posted a video of point sparring.
Look up context or go back to school and understand what you obviously are missing.
OP, please try to understand, your school has a well qualified and skillful instructor of olympic style TKD who runs ‘alive’ and relatively inexpensive classes in olympic style TKD. No one is contesting this. What people object to is that he also runs MMA, boxing and grappling classes without any formal qualification. He is correct in telling you that to be a good fighter you need to be able to box and wrestle, but what he’s not telling you is that you don’t need fucking olympic tkd. If you want to learn boxing and wrestling go to boxing and wrestling classes with a qualified instructor.