I thought I'd make a Racist post and everything would be normal

Dick, I am in my 50’s and have watched the “evolution” of certain groups of people not keep up with the whole or aggregate. We think of evolution as taking millions of years but…maybe not. I hate to be politically correct but it seems I am the only one left who will say it as he sees it. No emotion or blame on unjust parties. Ok, lets say for example, my ancestors are from Russia. Now lets say that I see a trend in street violence, especially the crazy kind like what happened at that connecticut school and with the fireman. I see the perps are both Russian. That is not conclusive of anything but it makes me aware, makes me start to be on the look out for patterns with Russians. My people. Now as years go by I see that Russians are forming street gangs and they recruit young 12 year old boys so that these minors can hold their drugs for them with no heavy prison sentence,if any time served at all. Now I see that as years go by these young russian kids are now having their own kids who now also join the “family business” and recruit even younger russian kids. Only russian kids. No one else! Now, I notice that when I am out in the street, I am feeling very nervous when a group of russian people are walking behind me. I never felt that way before, did I? Hmmmmm…
So now I do research, and I see that even though Russians account for only 18% of the US population, 7 out of 8 violent crimes on whites and also blacks are coming from Russians. I also see that when a horrible crime is commited,such as a murder of one child over another over a pair of sneakers or a leather jacket, its usually a Russian kid. I start digging deeper and I see that Russian kids have a different attitude towards life. Its a F- YOU/ F-ME attitude. They dont care about their own life. Thats the scariest discovery of all because one who has no care over their own life will never care about yurlife. I then see that when I am in high school it was always the russian kids who extorted other kids for money. Russian kids who tell older people top “shut the F up” when politely scolded. And then to my horror I see the russian civil rights groups not even doing anything to admit there is a problem. They in fact blame all the behavior problems on "unjust tratment from the 1950’s and even 150 years ago. But we give them free money for school and for food to feed theior kids like all people I say. why are russians so arrogant and murderous? Then I realize…they are destroying the country, as well as myself and my fellow law abiding and respectful Russian friends. I see russians in the school system putting fear into the regular white and hispanic and asian kids that were born here too. Then to my embarrasment I see that while we have so many thousands of kind intelligent russians, every neighborhood they "take over: becomes filthy, depressing and filled with first despair and shortly afterwards, violence and crime. It then becomes so expected that when a knife fight breaks out in the street, people just stand around and watch it! Cheering even. This tells me desperate measures that cant all be filled with love and understanding must be implemented to protect the good russians and mostly…the rest of the country that is being overwhelmed by something akin to a swarm of killer bees!

THIS IS ALL TRUE…except, the nationality is not Russian at all. We all “know” what it is. But we either are young and think life has always been this way, or…we had it jammed into our head that everyone is the same on the inside and any other thinking is ugly and racially bigoted. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY WRONG! Dont swedes all have blnde hair and blue eyes. They are not the same as you and me. dont Africans who live rurally hardly ever progress or invent new things…for thousands of years? dont white people have a different tecture to their skin and hair? even personality differences among all people are noted. So why cant one people be more of a " “WARRIOR OR DESTROYER” type, compared to others. Just as some cultures enjoy food or music more, other s I have learned enjoy death!

Sop lets get off gun control and stop trying to solve a problem we are all too pussy whipped to admit. And btw…I really am russian, and I look at all the mixtures of people in the usa and yes, we may all be equal, but we definitely are not the same. No way, no how! So what is the answer? I believe we have to start somewhere. Thats the answer. But starting knowing we need to single out one culture of people. Not killing or hurting anyone,just bringing it out. If I am right, they will start the killing and bloodshed on their own,anyway. And I am one of the few Russians who was engaged to a balck woman …twice! So there is no prejudice here. I will say that on my first day in high school in Brooklyn, seeing the only black kid out of 33 of us get up to run after the teacher to do him serious physical harm was a hell of an eye opener. I believe that this group of people effect all the others in america but on a different level, not so apparent. Anyone with any thoughts? And please dont call me racist without telling me if what Ive noticed is correct…or not! And then maybe we can really change things,just starting with people on this board and few other Internet spots. YES WE CAN!

How about a third outcome?

[QUOTE=Vorpal;2751722]You take it the wrong way. I came to this site while I was studying Aiki Jujutsu. I read everything with an open mind, went to some throwdowns. I ended up switching over to BJJ and am having a great time learning something very effective. Don’t tuck and run… Hang out, read, see what other people have to say.[/QUOTE]

First off, Cudos to Vorpal for some rational thinking and open mindedness. Sadly in war and politics, we have so few Vorpals and waaaaaay too many of your average poster who just because he can beat every single MMA or BJJ fighter at “his” gym, he or her actually thinks they really know something. That goes for the karaate “expert” similar to the evil Martin Cove in The Karate Kid that because he never lost a fight thought he knew something. He didnt, and we all enjoyed watching him get his ass beat by an old Mr Miyagi,right! Ok…I will bet money, that there is something missing here. This is not a column A or column B chinese restaurant choice.

Things to consider:

1-Why does the average guy in the street turn the channel when MMA and UFC fights are on, yet stops on a dime when Manny Pacqiuo or Floyd Mayweather fight? They obviously arent better then every single MMA fighter, yet people instinctively “know” something we who are too close cannot see. Also, if the sport being shown was “real life bar fighting” with chairs and beer bottles being broken over gusy heads…would anyone turn the channel then? Of course not. Something to think about.

2-If Bas Rutten only took boxing in his life “or” karate, he would still be a champion, he would just knock guys out much faster and he wouldnt let it go to the ground. If I am wrong about this…take Bas on the street with only street fighting and boxing skills and I still take him over any MMA fighter he fought in the past and won. In other words,sometimes one art IS superior. But equally as much, a guy who can kick ass will do it with any tools(art) you give him…as long as you give him some tools!

3-Now lets look at one of the most least respected arts on this forum-Wing Chun. The father of Wing Chun and Bruce Lees teacher was visited by what was then,the baddest fighters on the planet. they were Ed Parkers and Jimmy Woos Chinese Kempo students. When they asked to “touch hands” with the master, it is recorded in many old and worn Black Belt AND iNSIDE kUNG-FU MAGS, that not one of these very superior fighter could even land a blow. The bottom line comment was “Master Yip could shut down any attack. Thats what he was the best in, ending a fight before it began.” So, because no Wing Chun guys fight in MMA would anyone bet money against Yip Man? Guys, Guys!!! At least say it would be interesting as hell! And I think thats what Vorpal is trying to say is that many things in martial arts are interesting as hell.

4-What interests me in my over 50 years on this earth is that when ever I spoke with martial artists who were still fairly green and thus still open, I would always ask…“Who was the best fighter in your neighborhood and what did he do to always win?” The answer over 80% of the time was, regardless if this neighborhood “legend” practiced martial arts or was just born an animal, the answer was usually…“He ended every fight he got into with one punch.” This now eliminates not only BJJ,MMA, most Wing Chun Guys, all ground fighting guys and a slew of other arts. So what am I trying to prove, you may ask? Nothing. Thats the whole point, there is no right or wrong answer. This is not I got it right and you got it wrong. Its just life unfolding.

A guy in my neighborhood in Brooklyn growing up, simply known as “Ratner”…was undefeated against single and multiple attackers all thru his early 20’s until he moved out of NY. In a fight my best friend watched him engage in on the boardwalk of Brighton beach,Brooklyn: He took out 3 bikers who came into the neighborhood and were just picking on some small kid. After our friend “Ratner” put all 3 guys out like a light before more than one guy could take one step, he was asked how he did it and his reply became legendary all over my side of Brooklyn. “They just looked like they were moving in slow motion to me.” What MMA or Karate guy would want a piece of this guy? I wont even mention what art he took because he was an animal before ever taking martial arts! END OF THE STORY!

2-If Bas Rutten only took boxing in his life “or” karate, he would still be a champion, he would just knock guys out much faster and he wouldnt let it go to the ground.

Bas Rutten, before learning how to fight on the ground:

//youtu.be/zKnoZlZp9vE

After our friend “Ratner” put all 3 guys out like a light before more than one guy could take one step, he was asked how he did it and his reply became legendary all over my side of Brooklyn. “They just looked like they were moving in slow motion to me.” What MMA or Karate guy would want a piece of this guy? I wont even mention what art he took because he was an animal before ever taking martial arts! END OF THE STORY![/

Incidentally, that’s the same response Kimbo Slice gave when asked about how he discovered his streetfighting talent. Here he is fighting someone whose both an MMA and karate guy:

//youtu.be/o5ZxpbtcC8A

tHIS PHOTO IS AWESOME! tHANK YOU TPO WHOMEVER POSTED IT. qUESTION FOR THE CROWD: What would be the ticket price to see these 2 fight in a ring for real with MMA rules. If tickets could only be gotten by bidding, what would the average guy on this thread(or anywhere) pay to see these two go at it?

Also, kudos to the Russian instructor in this video as he is doing the one thing almost EVERY art is weak in…stopping a flicking blinding speed jab. Remember, this guy is not demo’ing with a professional boxer but I suspect he could counter over 50% of them. The first punch,anyway.

I would give everything I own(which is a 1984 Ford Pinto and a dog)to have Steven Seagal blended into this photo with Gene Labell! ROFLMAO!

Seriously though, No paying, you all know that if he was asked to be totally honest, Steve Seagal would say that if he had to fight both of them at the same time, Yip Man he would take immediately and Ueshiba might be a struggle until he wore him down.

I meant the 2 masters fighting not the beer photo. Although that is making me thirsty as hell. Great pic also! The light flowing thru the beer makes the whole photo. Which brings me to my big money making idea I want to know if someone will put up the cash to help me promote…CAGE FIGHTING WITH GUYS THAT MUST BOTH BE DRUNK OFF THEIR ASS AND BLOOD ALCOHOL LEVELS ARE TESTED 15 MINUTES BEFORE THE FIGHT. Making your opponent vomit 3 times is automatic stoppage of the fight. (sorry for caps, my keyboard is messed up.)

[QUOTE=pakua42;2753677]First off, Cudos to Vorpal for some rational thinking and open mindedness. Sadly in war and politics, we have so few Vorpals and waaaaaay too many of your average poster who just because he can beat every single MMA or BJJ fighter at “his” gym, he or her actually thinks they really know something.[/QUOTE]

You completely missed the point of his post.

That goes for the karaate “expert” similar to the evil Martin Cove in The Karate Kid that because he never lost a fight thought he knew something. He didnt, and we all enjoyed watching him get his ass beat by an old Mr Miyagi,right! Ok…I will bet money, that there is something missing here. This is not a column A or column B chinese restaurant choice.

Incoherency.

Things to consider:

1-Why does the average guy in the street turn the channel when MMA and UFC fights are on, yet stops on a dime when Manny Pacqiuo or Floyd Mayweather fight? They obviously arent better then every single MMA fighter, yet people instinctively “know” something we who are too close cannot see. Also, if the sport being shown was “real life bar fighting” with chairs and beer bottles being broken over gusy heads…would anyone turn the channel then? Of course not. Something to think about.

I’d think about it if you made a fucking point, but you didn’t.

2-If Bas Rutten only took boxing in his life “or” karate, he would still be a champion, he would just knock guys out much faster and he wouldnt let it go to the ground. If I am wrong about this…take Bas on the street with only street fighting and boxing skills and I still take him over any MMA fighter he fought in the past and won. In other words,sometimes one art IS superior. But equally as much, a guy who can kick ass will do it with any tools(art) you give him…as long as you give him some tools!

Baseless. You’re really bad at this.

3-Now lets look at one of the most least respected arts on this forum-Wing Chun. The father of Wing Chun and Bruce Lees teacher was visited by what was then,the baddest fighters on the planet. they were Ed Parkers and Jimmy Woos Chinese Kempo students. When they asked to “touch hands” with the master, it is recorded in many old and worn Black Belt AND iNSIDE kUNG-FU MAGS, that not one of these very superior fighter could even land a blow. The bottom line comment was “Master Yip could shut down any attack. Thats what he was the best in, ending a fight before it began.” So, because no Wing Chun guys fight in MMA would anyone bet money against Yip Man? Guys, Guys!!! At least say it would be interesting as hell! And I think thats what Vorpal is trying to say is that many things in martial arts are interesting as hell.

Mass lulz. It would be interesting only because Ip Man would be alive to find out that his art sucks because it hasn’t evolved, or that it has evolved and it sucks.

4-What interests me in my over 50 years on this earth is that when ever I spoke with martial artists who were still fairly green and thus still open, I would always ask…“Who was the best fighter in your neighborhood and what did he do to always win?” The answer over 80% of the time was, regardless if this neighborhood “legend” practiced martial arts or was just born an animal, the answer was usually…“He ended every fight he got into with one punch.” This now eliminates not only BJJ,MMA, most Wing Chun Guys, all ground fighting guys and a slew of other arts. So what am I trying to prove, you may ask? Nothing. Thats the whole point, there is no right or wrong answer. This is not I got it right and you got it wrong. Its just life unfolding.

Calling bullshit, that question was never surveyed by you. As to your hypothesis stemming from your bullshit survey, it is complete bullshit.

A guy in my neighborhood in Brooklyn growing up, simply known as “Ratner”…was undefeated against single and multiple attackers all thru his early 20’s until he moved out of NY. In a fight my best friend watched him engage in on the boardwalk of Brighton beach,Brooklyn: He took out 3 bikers who came into the neighborhood and were just picking on some small kid. After our friend “Ratner” put all 3 guys out like a light before more than one guy could take one step, he was asked how he did it and his reply became legendary all over my side of Brooklyn. “They just looked like they were moving in slow motion to me.” What MMA or Karate guy would want a piece of this guy? I wont even mention what art he took because he was an animal before ever taking martial arts! END OF THE STORY!

End of your bullshit story, yes. You’re not convincing anyone with your lame anecdotes.

Seriously, all Vorpal was saying was to hang around and learn more from this site because you’ll find that your uneducated hypotheses will be proved in the most part false. You concluded in what I can only describe as one of the most amazing extrapolations in the history of the world, that he was saying… uh, whatever that mostly bullshit shit you typed was.

[QUOTE=Epeeist;2752022]Humorously enough, Capoeira has probably put up more success in the cage with video evidence than Wing Chun and Aikido, probably because being athletic counts for an awful lot in fighting.[/QUOTE]

When you look at the 2 clips: 1-Turkish submission wretling vs aikido and 2-MMA vs Wing Chun. It should become very apparent that if Bruce Lee was in his 30’s today, both of those guys would very likely beat him. I loved him too, but he wasnt as invincible as most people thought, at what 125 pounds tops(?). I was stunned seeing that older turkish wrestler in his 50;s with street shoes on put that young aikido black belt down like nothing. I say he could do it to Bruce too.

Point: The author of the great book "Guided Chaos said that if you take any black belt put them on the street and do a move on them they have no reference to or never seen, they will likely get hit, and very possibly lose altogether, even to an untrained guy. Their nervous system isnt geared for it.

You disregarded my advice, pakua42. Please heed it. First paragraph was not so bad, second one exposed you as fanboy.

[QUOTE=pakua42;2753677]3-Now lets look at one of the most least respected arts on this forum-Wing Chun. The father of Wing Chun and Bruce Lees teacher was visited by what was then,the baddest fighters on the planet. they were Ed Parkers and Jimmy Woos Chinese Kempo students. When they asked to “touch hands” with the master, it is recorded in many old and worn Black Belt AND iNSIDE kUNG-FU MAGS, that not one of these very superior fighter could even land a blow. The bottom line comment was “Master Yip could shut down any attack. Thats what he was the best in, ending a fight before it began.”[/QUOTE]

This is an outright lie.

[QUOTE=Middlefinger;2753730]This is an outright lie.[/QUOTE]

It’s all true, Middlefinger. Then, when they got back home, each of them died, one per day until they were all gone, of Chi-burns and Ingrown Penises.

Don’t say it can’t happen. That’s how they got Houdini and President Harrison, too, with those delayed effect chi punches. They are like time bombs ticking in your own body. Just wait till you see Bruce get his delayed-effect revenge on Chuck Norris.

Also, he could get women pregnant just by thinking about them that way, if you know what I mean.

[QUOTE=ChuckWepner;2753739]Ingrown Penises[/QUOTE]

+100 internets.

Read thread title; am very disappoint.

Kindly leave the attempts at racist expression to those of us who are qualified to use them. Thanks in advance. Your zyklon chip-dip is in the mail.