Taijutsu just means body techniques – all weaponless combat is taijutsu. lol.
Chin na/joint locking (which is what I think is meant) is very effective if it “just happens”, I’ve used it in lots of off premise play in Taijiquan but it took me a while to stop looking for it (coming from Aikido) and until then it was useless. It doesn’t work very well if you approach it from “I’m going to do a wrist lock!” as it’s too easy to counter and distracts you from the opponent… and as someone mentioned – people can ignore pain and broken joints (that aren’t structural) …and you need to practice them all the time though so you “just happen” to get them when they do occur – so that might be less efficient depending on what you enjoy doing.
As for it’s development, i’m guessing it was developed from sword and weapons techniques where someone really really wants to grab you because you are going to skewer their swordless *ss – or against attacks where the person is putting alot of force into the strike (again, committing). Styles depending on taijutsu (should) use a ton of striking or the opponents strike to bridge since you need contact obviously. Can you make it work on a boxer? Sure, but not nearly as quickly as you’ll get proficient at boxing unless you are cross training so you can use it against them daily.
I will say that the aikijutsu/aikido arts do a much better job of dealing with multiple attackers… and no, 1:1 is not the same as 1:M. The skills don’t translate very well as the focus is not on the technique repetiore as much as it is flow, spacing, and people placement… and since each time you touch someone you have a tendency to slow down and get pummelled you have to learn to use movement (throws, strikes, etc) that don’t create that kind of friction. Personally a much quicker system to deal with multiple attackers would be to use a baseball bat, jo or even a “combat umbrella” (I have one, it’s cool) …i.e, a weapon.
If you are interested in defending against guns, practice gun fu like you’d practice any MA – practice situational awareness ( “zanshin”) and join the police force so when you do need to shoot them you can. Your taijutsu skills would come in handy then since you’re more likely to have people grab your wrist :).
#1. In my understanding it refers to “body skill”. It’s also interpreted as “hand technique”.
#2. It was progressively more aggressive up to what amounts to “bum rush” and dogpile, also have done 4-6 day randori intensives where they give the uke’s shinai’s or boxing mitts and go a bit harder. Lots of striking, getting hit hard with shinai and full speed rushes from 3 to 4 people who would pull you to the ground… and you are expected to strike them as well when the opportunity presents itself. http://www.aikieast.com/intensiv.htm if you are interested.
#3. I practiced TKD for a few years and karate in a university club. I currently spend most of my practice time in Taijiquan but so far our free play has been 1:1. All of my training against multiple opponents is from Aikido and Daityo-Ryu Ajj as the striking arts I was in focused on 1:1 sparring.
If you don’t train against multiple attackers then you won’t be very good at handling them. Aikido and the various Daityo-ryu lineages spend more time on this relative to the other arts I’ve had experience with or knowledge of.
[quote=Hecubus;2421518]#1. In my understanding it refers to “body skill”. It’s also interpreted as “hand technique”.
#2. It was progressively more aggressive up to what amounts to “bum rush” and dogpile, also have done 4-6 day randori intensives where they give the uke’s shinai’s or boxing mitts and go a bit harder. Lots of striking, getting hit hard with shinai and full speed rushes from 3 to 4 people who would pull you to the ground… and you are expected to strike them as well when the opportunity presents itself. http://www.aikieast.com/intensiv.htm if you are interested.
#3. I practiced TKD for a few years and karate in a university club. I currently spend most of my practice time in Taijiquan but so far our free play has been 1:1. All of my training against multiple opponents is from Aikido and Daityo-Ryu Ajj as the striking arts I was in focused on 1:1 sparring.
If you don’t train against multiple attackers then you won’t be very good at handling them. Aikido and the various Daityo-ryu lineages spend more time on this relative to the other arts I’ve had experience with or knowledge of.[/quote]
Yes, Taijutsu means body skill, it’s a generic term so applying it to just one MA is wrong, it would be like saying that punching belongs only to Boxing!
I’ve tried some Randori, but being a noob meant they weren’t going full strenght, although thanks god in my Dojo we train a little bit harder with every passing month.
In the street i would simply trow one assailant on the other with a Ura tecnique and then RUN FOR MY LIFE, i’m not skilled enough to do anything more…
[quote=Hecubus;2421518]#1. In my understanding it refers to “body skill”. It’s also interpreted as “hand technique”.
#2. It was progressively more aggressive up to what amounts to “bum rush” and dogpile, also have done 4-6 day randori intensives where they give the uke’s shinai’s or boxing mitts and go a bit harder. Lots of striking, getting hit hard with shinai and full speed rushes from 3 to 4 people who would pull you to the ground… and you are expected to strike them as well when the opportunity presents itself. http://www.aikieast.com/intensiv.htm if you are interested.
#3. I practiced TKD for a few years and karate in a university club. I currently spend most of my practice time in Taijiquan but so far our free play has been 1:1. All of my training against multiple opponents is from Aikido and Daityo-Ryu Ajj as the striking arts I was in focused on 1:1 sparring.
If you don’t train against multiple attackers then you won’t be very good at handling them. Aikido and the various Daityo-ryu lineages spend more time on this relative to the other arts I’ve had experience with or knowledge of.[/quote]
I would also like to see Aikido working against multiples attackers. Do you have any videos of it or know where any can be found?
You are right, i meant JUST. I meant that would be the only thing i would do, or try to do before running away. I’m sure a few Ura tecniques could work, of course i’m not eager to test this assumption!
[quote=Kovacs;2421572]I would also like to see Aikido working against multiples attackers. Do you have any videos of it or know where any can be found?[/quote]Type “Aikido randori” into youtube, I get the feeling he means that.
Unfortunately, those techniques will only work on civilized British streets, where multiple attackers are polite enough to form an orderly queue…
There’s a video on their facebook page of them doing randori vs. shinais. It’s unscripted, but the ukes give one telegraphed attack, attack one at a time like an action movie, and just go flying with zero resistance as usual:
I’d be interested to see if their boxing glove randori was better. Unarmed vs. bunch of guys with swords is doomed to being unrealistic no matter what you do (unless it ends with tori getting beat up I guess).
I don’t think multiple attacker drills are automatically Bullshido. There are good ones out there, but people need to remember it’s a “die less often” kind of thing.
[quote=Lu Tze;2421619]Type “Aikido randori” into youtube, I get the feeling he means that.
Unfortunately, those techniques will only work on civilized British streets, where multiple attackers are polite enough to form an orderly queue…[/quote]
Lost the post and don’t feel like recomposing it so I’ll condense:
There are no good multiple attacker videos showing it “alive” on youtube that I found (any style). All of them were slow / teaching demos or slow to medium paced randori’s. The best was a real situation involving a Turkish guy (doing what looks like boxing) being attacked on the street. His movement and strikes kept his opponents in front of him and queing up. So based on that, do boxing – and then get some training from a group that does work multiple attackers.