If Daishi is correct, and someone with “special” operational experience can claim master status in the martial art they deem fit to do so, then that may explain a lot about the dialog in Bullshido. The line usually looks like this: Instructor X claims to be a master, but there is no record of his getting instructor status in that school.
That picture of Mountainous in the Marine Corps camo pattern and beard makes him look pretty special forces… He is a master!
I was, of course, being facetious. My best friend was in SEAL Team 2, and I spent much time with him and his friends while I was stationed in, or visiting, VA Beach. The only hand to hand technique they learned was some shit called “fire hands” which was real gay. Other than that, they occasionally went to Lynx Gym in VA Beach to roll…when they had time, which was rare. Basically all their attitude about hand to hand combat was “I know enough to know I don’t know shit.” And those were actual SOCOM guys, there force was special…well, sorta. They weren’t DEV or anything (well, some are now).
Being in the Corps, I can tell you MCMAP is relatively a poor man’s spliced TMA practiced by MMA and Tap Out enthusiasts…just without the tradition (other than essays and shit you have to know at higher levels). The best thing about it is its not too hard to find guys willing to train all out…whereas many civilian dojo this can be kind of hard to find, at least in the same quantity of availability. The lack of technical prowess is quite apparent, though. You just can’t get to that level without a lot of practice…ask jujitsu and judo guys if you can train maybe once a week for 45 min. at a time and expect to get an O Soto Gari or Jujigatame on an uncooperative partner. Regardless, long gone are the days when martial arts “masters” were brought in from other countries…no shit into the military…to train up guys to be proficient fighters. My old teacher’s teacher…Motoo Yamakura…is in the Guiness Book of World Records for being the first dude to get a green card for such a job skill…he was in the US Army during Nam teaching Krotty. Hell MCMAP black belts are required to have rank in civilian martial arts. I digress…I’m balls deep into a bottle of Bushmills while my wife and her friends watch True Blood in the other room, so I apologize for my disjointed ramblings. Point being, I think its painfully obvious no military person should claim mastery based on their military “budo” training…as their simply isn’t the time. Don’t get me started on the injuries in combat zones from MCMAP making guys combat ineffective…
Love and Peace,
Your honesty commends you. I was on an amphibous ship in the Navy and the best people I worked with were Marines.
I picked up on your push which is why I tied it to the picture of Mountainous looking like a mercenary in his Marine Corps camo and 1980’s Michael Eichanis beard.
[quote=daishi;2426245]I was, of course, being facetious. My best friend was in SEAL Team 2, and I spent much time with him and his friends while I was stationed in, or visiting, VA Beach. The only hand to hand technique they learned was some shit called “fire hands” which was real gay. Other than that, they occasionally went to Lynx Gym in VA Beach to roll…when they had time, which was rare. Basically all their attitude about hand to hand combat was “I know enough to know I don’t know shit.” And those were actual SOCOM guys, there force was special…well, sorta. They weren’t DEV or anything (well, some are now).
Being in the Corps, I can tell you MCMAP is relatively a poor man’s spliced TMA practiced by MMA and Tap Out enthusiasts…just without the tradition (other than essays and shit you have to know at higher levels). The best thing about it is its not too hard to find guys willing to train all out…whereas many civilian dojo this can be kind of hard to find, at least in the same quantity of availability. The lack of technical prowess is quite apparent, though. You just can’t get to that level without a lot of practice…ask jujitsu and judo guys if you can train maybe once a week for 45 min. at a time and expect to get an O Soto Gari or Jujigatame on an uncooperative partner. Regardless, long gone are the days when martial arts “masters” were brought in from other countries…no shit into the military…to train up guys to be proficient fighters. My old teacher’s teacher…Motoo Yamakura…is in the Guiness Book of World Records for being the first dude to get a green card for such a job skill…he was in the US Army during Nam teaching Krotty. Hell MCMAP black belts are required to have rank in civilian martial arts. I digress…I’m balls deep into a bottle of Bushmills while my wife and her friends watch True Blood in the other room, so I apologize for my disjointed ramblings. Point being, I think its painfully obvious no military person should claim mastery based on their military “budo” training…as their simply isn’t the time. Don’t get me started on the injuries in combat zones from MCMAP making guys combat ineffective…
Love and Peace,[/quote]
Trust me we have HUNDREDS of threads on this very subject. We even have an MCMAP instructor that posts.
Yeah, I think I saw a thread that was resurrected from like 2005 recently about MCMAP.
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The “Special” Forces takes offense to that statement.[/quote]
Requirements of all ‘Special’ forces:
Lack of ability to breathe through your nose.
Aggressive typing style while on the interwebz.
Retention of minimum 20% body fat (5% of which must be instead of functioning brain tissue).
Refusal to accept the reality of any situation.
Must show a marked ability to shoot one’s own cock off with a gun.
Functionally retarded.
Must have a deep and abiding love of ninjas,
And be allergic to push-ups.
I think it was a wiser man than me who said:
‘Do not ask what your country can do for you, but lie about what you do for your country. And then people will think you are c3wl and d34dly’
[quote=Dargentus;2426324]Requirements of all ‘Special’ forces:
Lack of ability to breathe through your nose.
Aggressive typing style while on the interwebz.
Retention of minimum 20% body fat (5% of which must be instead of functioning brain tissue).
Refusal to accept the reality of any situation.
Must show a marked ability to shoot one’s own cock off with a gun.
Functionally retarded.
Must have a deep and abiding love of ninjas,
And be allergic to push-ups.
I think it was a wiser man than me who said:
‘Do not ask what your country can do for you, but lie about what you do for your country. And then people will think you are c3wl and d34dly’[/quote]
Don’t forget – owns a box containing about 2,000 rounds of .22 ammo.
Give me more credit than that.
W is for Wood.
You should really go watch True Blood with them. It has many awesome things such as sex, violence and Anna Paquin’s tits.
perv.
[quote=W. Rabbit;2426413]perv.
[/quote]
Nice touch … well bad touch …
never mind you get the drift, wood rabbit.
[quote=W. Rabbit;2426405]Give me more credit than that.
W is for Wood.[/quote]
I don’t have anything against you personally but he’s already giving you more credit than you deserve 
Everyone, of course, knows the real reason (as dramatized here) why old spec ops buddies are required keep silent about their former awesomeness…
