I can't stop being prejudiced against BJJ

So for attributes, not for skill development.

I’m not saying bag work has no value, I’m saying it isn’t very useful for developing the skill of dealing with live resisting opponents.

Plus, I don’t agree with drilling combinations can’t be done with a live partner.

You definitely need to do combinations with a live partner, dead ones suck, haha, kidding. You definitely need partner work and lots of sparring, but you can’t develop power. You could use mitts and a body protector. It’s the contact part, you have to drill heavy contact and landing your punches. You can’t have the same amount of contact with a partner unless you are doing heavy sparring, and even then you aren’t going to get volume. You also don’t want to just drill pulling punches, although control is something you can develop when you learn ranges etc.

I think you need a baseline before you do the dynamic part. Need to understand what your range is and develop some control before you bring people in the mix. It’s just the contact part, something you wouldn’t worry about in a grappling art. If you wanted to teach someone how to punch with a live partner they need to parry, or block, or slip or something, So the partner will need to know more than the guy learning. You also don’t get the sensation of landing the punch so you can’t learn the dynamics of actually throwing a good punch.

EDIT: I’d teach things like stance and how to actually throw before i get close to anything dynamic.

Maybe you’ll find this interesting:

Don’t care, frankly, I’m not into link wars anymore. I prefer Black Tea, anyway. I apprecite you sharing all that science with me, though.

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I have early stage coronary artery disease in my LAD, so I had to give up drinking, smoking, sugar, fat, and laziness. Which sucks because I’m a very active guy, relatively strong and able guy. I can still hike 50 miles in the wilderness. Probably genetic, probably a result of poor choices when I was younger.

But my cardiologist says I need to drink more green tea to help me stay alive, so I’m gonna promote that.

Each to his own devices.

Nonfat chocolate milk though. That’s definitely staying.

Oh, come on… don’t worry about the contact part in grappling…

That made me chuckle.

Well, I got a cardiac calcium scan done last year, and I’ve got 0% coronary artery plaque at 62 years old, so I’m not too worried about it.

I’m sorry to hear about our condition, though. Yeah, I think we’ve all made some of those choices in our youth, one way or the other.

Part of being youthful. Eventually, it catches up. Mine is just degenerative joint problems, in some joints, not cardiac health.

I got my first score last Friday. It was small, but not zero.

Son #1 has a congenital valve disorder that’s kept me awake at night for 21 years, now we have the same cardiologist. Ain’t that a bitch…

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While I have you…thoughts on double dipping Judo and BJJ on alternate days? I’m almost blue belt in BJJ, and working on brown in Judo, but I don’t want to stop my momentum.

I know all about the risks etc, but I don’t give a shit at this point. I probably should, but now I can hear the clock ticking. And I have great life insurance.

Small but not zero is good, although you are a bit younger than me. Obviously, go with what your MD advises, including green tea, LOL.

Sorry to hear about your son. I had a murmur when I was a kid, and it went away. My older son had one, it went away, fortunately. He and his brother have always had amazing cardio… like blowing me away kind of cardio, LOL, be it in track and field, football, or wrestling.

As far as double dipping, I’d say listen to your body, and take it slow. You aint’ no spring chicken anymore, and if you want to reach your goal of shodan in Judo, you don’t want to get injured soon and get set back weeks or months.

I never competed in BJJ, but I wanted to… body gave out too soon.

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This is why my 1-1 amateur Lei Tai San Shou record is so meaningful to me.

The guy who cut my glove tape after my first loss told me “now you’ll live forever”. He was not wrong.

Thanks, Rudy Abel, for inspiring me to do it, where you could not.

Hmm, well, I had hundreds of judo matches at that point, at the very least. My last one was meaningful because I got a 3rd degree AC separation out of it. At 50 years old.

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My last Judo class, this shodan came up and asked me for some ne waza, and I was like a kid at a candy store. Like some girl had come up to me at a dance or something.

I’m not used to people being so eager to roll with me, but I won’t lie. It felt right.

One of the things I like about my current school is they use stuntman style crash pads for nage waza practice. Which when you think about it, is a good idea.

Thanks I’ll give it a watch.

The context was developing power in punches … obviously grappling is a contact sport.

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Bunch of whiners… go pump some iron.

(grabs another ibuprophen)

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Very cool talk. I need to finish the last 15 minutes at some point got pulled away.

I agree on the introducing sparring earlier on (liked his suggestions and approach with gamification), also liked focusing on tactics earlier on (makes so much sense in hindsight). Streetfighter analogy was interesting.

I didn’t agree with some of the mitt work comments, i don’t think everyone is as static, but i hear what they are saying and agree it can be a problem.

When i said make each punch count, i didn’t mean throw with crazy energy in everything you do, thought i’d mention that because it ties into the talk. With correct technique you can generate a lot of power with less energy. I liked working with what someone has naturally and not straight out of the gate breaking their natural movement to teach them how to move exactly how you think they should. That should have been more obvious as i’ve seen that approach in golf, but i’ll keep that in mind moving forward even in my own training. I still believe you need a heavy bag to develop power, but i’m not saying that to disagree with any of the concerns they raise associated with bag and pad work, i agreed with the risk they raised, but i still like pad work, just approach it differently from what they described (not as static), and i also think it’s useful for conditioning (cardio, physical, etc).

Lots to comment on that i skipped, all in all it’s changed my view, and thanks for the clip. :slight_smile:

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Ep.7 - A Conversation with John Mackey - Ways2Practice Podcast | Podcast on Spotify

This one is interesting too.

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