So Ben was nice enough to make a short video of his favorite osoto gari/otoshi grip for Bjj… It made me feel dumb after doing it. Its one of those things that makes you say, “Why didnt i think of that?”
Its Fantastically simple but i really like the grips. Getting the uke’s lead hand gripped up and accross their body really shuts down their defense better than anything else I have ever used to get passed a low arms locked out defensive Jiu-Jitsu or sambo stance.
So i used this today and once i got grips it felt likes its almost a foregone conclusion that they are taking a fall.
Now I did have to mix in a little kenken like Pedro
Does for people that really stretch out and get their hips way back.
[video=youtube_share;rqNslie-J68]https://youtu.be/rqNslie-J68[/video]
You’re tall so it’s easier for you to reach and hop.
I obviously am short.
You can also do kosoto gari/gake, or go inside for Kochi gari.
Once you’ve got the two on one and their arm pushed across you can go for the over-the-back / Georgian grip with your left hand. Then it is Khabarelli sequence time…
[QUOTE=Raycetpfl;2981991]Its Fantastically simple but i really like the grips. Getting the uke’s lead hand gripped up and accross their body really shuts down their defense better than anything else I have ever used to get passed a low arms locked out defensive Jiu-Jitsu or sambo stance.[/QUOTE]
That was in Demian Maia’s Science of Jiu Jitsu*, more than 10 years ago!!!
Kids… all day watching berimbolos in Instagram.
*Demian used a belt grip, but the concept is the same.
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Dcs… and not single osoto to be had in either video. I mean i do the hand across on atleast 10 other throws but never with osoto. Pedro didn’t finish with it there either. That detail specifically dramatically changes their ability to defend that throw type.
Yes, there’s some miscomunication here. You are focusing in the osoto specifically, I was focusing in uke’s structure disruption that negates his defensive/countering abilities and opens the door to various throws.
Yes, it’s the same principle what Jimmy is doing is a lot more explicitly Judo in Judo we can’t stiff-armed the hip like that but it’s the same principle.
I should say under currentp competition rules we can’t grab the belt and stiff arm like that.
Even when it was legal it wasn’t that common.
Jimmy is going over controlling the sleeve basically.
I’m not claiming to have invented any of the stuff by the way.
I told my students head up elbows down.
Another aspect of pushing the hand across is Action Reaction. You want to control the sleeve down and away from you so you push it across their body you get them tilting or twisting a bit sideways they need to square up in order to protect themselves.
So they’ll try force the square up by twisting and movement when they do you use that reaction against them to further break their balance or it in better position or throw them.
[QUOTE=BKR;2982108]Yes, it’s the same principle what Jimmy is doing is a lot more explicitly Judo in Judo we can’t stiff-armed the hip like that but it’s the same principle.
I should say under currentp competition rules we can’t grab the belt and stiff arm like that.
Even when it was legal it wasn’t that common.
Jimmy is going over controlling the sleeve basically.
I’m not claiming to have invented any of the stuff by the way.
I told my students head up elbows down.[/QUOTE]
Many schools of belt wrestling, ancient and modern, seem to really get a lot of utility from latching onto someone with a handle directly near the opponent’s center of gravity and then hurling them.
It’s a running gag that Judo may have made such things illegal because the mongolians might have too much fun if they were allowed unrestricted access to grab the front and sides of the belt.
[QUOTE=DCS;2982105]Yes, there’s some miscomunication here. You are focusing in the osoto specifically, I was focusing in uke’s structure disruption that negates his defensive/countering abilities and opens the door to various throws.[/QUOTE]
Correct that’s what it’s all about. I used osoto gari is the example throw because the night I was asked to teach a judo class I asked which throw do you want me to teach and they said Osoto Gari.
It’s not a bad choice because you don’t have to turn your back to do the throw.
[QUOTE=WFMurphyPhD;2982109]Many schools of belt wrestling, ancient and modern, seem to really get a lot of utility from latching onto someone with a handle directly near the opponent’s center of gravity and then hurling them.
It’s a running gag that Judo may have made such things illegal because the mongolians might have too much fun if they were allowed unrestricted access to grab the front and sides of the belt.[/QUOTE]
there are a couple of throws in Judo that grab the belt from the front of the side and of course normal ones that grab it at the rear.
Grabbing the belt like that is pretty effective defensively so if two people do it makes for kind of a stalemated match.
[QUOTE=BKR;2982111]there are a couple of throws in Judo that grab the belt from the front of the side and of course normal ones that grab it at the rear.
Grabbing the belt like that is pretty effective defensively so if two people do it makes for kind of a stalemated match.[/QUOTE]
I set up my Georgian with a front belt grab quite a bit.
[QUOTE=WFMurphyPhD;2982109]Many schools of belt wrestling, ancient and modern, seem to really get a lot of utility from latching onto someone with a handle directly near the opponent’s center of gravity and then hurling them.
It’s a running gag that Judo may have made such things illegal because the mongolians might have too much fun if they were allowed unrestricted access to grab the front and sides of the belt.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BKR;2982108]Jimmy is going over controlling the sleeve basically.
I’m not claiming to have invented any of the stuff by the way.
I told my students head up elbows down.
Another aspect of pushing the hand across is Action Reaction. You want to control the sleeve down and away from you so you push it across their body you get them tilting or twisting a bit sideways they need to square up in order to protect themselves.
So they’ll try force the square up by twisting and movement when they do you use that reaction against them to further break their balance or it in better position or throw them.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BKR;2982248]Was at judo last night coaching nage no kata.
No ideas for video, suggest something if you like.[/QUOTE]
Favourite action-reaction competition set from any given grip would be much appreciated, i.e. in “if that, then this”-style.
My coach did morote/harai sleeve front, o-soto sleeve back, sode tsuri/kubi nage/kata seoi lapel front and o-uchi sleeve back for half a year (both ai-yotsu and kenka yotsu) with us (mixed group - good basic stuff, nice details for more advanced guys like me), going on to uchi-mata and combinations in various forms right now.
Would love to see things you wrote on some occasions in action.
I actually wouldn’t mind if it was tweaked for no-gi or gi BJJ (i.e. especially considering avoiding back control) either.
though that would tend to stop people from shooting on you when you go over the top[/QUOTE]
Yea, and lots of times when i have their lapel in my right hand and then snatch their belt with my left they run their hips away. When they run their hips away I snatch The Georgian if they stay close i clollar drag or sumi gaeshi.
