In a law enforcement situation where most encounters are well under 21 feet the habit of picking a magazine off the ground, and that is what it would most likely amount to since fine motors are shot and a tactical reload isn’t happening, is a good way of getting killled. We teach that if the fight is most likely over the Officer can put the partially spent mag in his pocket. Cops carry at least three mags of bulllets and I have never heard or seen any docutmentation that a firefights outcome was influeneced by a cop’s use or non use of the tactical reload. If you train a tactical reload frequently the Officer may utilize that technique under fight or flight during a really bad time because they will revert to what ever they were most frequently trained in.
There are a lot of civilian shooting schools that are competiting for your dollar and they have to market something to get peoples’ attention.
I used to shoot IPSC and we would actually measure the time between shots including a mag change. Basically the golden rule was 2 seconds between shots with a reload in between. The key was NEVER shoot your gun dry - i.e. never shoot the slide lock. Always do the reload with a round in the chamber.
In a spontanious shooting, which is where you are basically “shooting bacK”, drop the mag and forget about it. There is a saying by a training school called “Wik…” something that says “train for the probable not the possible” and I couldn’t agree with that more for the average person who dosen’t train all the time.
As a patrol officer, when would you be in a situation where you need to burn through all the magazines you have? I’d imagine you have bigger problems than just “crap, I ran out of ammo”, such as “crap, I’m facing a friggin rock monster!” or “crap, ZOMBIES!”
I happens rather very infrequenty the only two that I can think of off hand was the School Resouce Officer at Columbine and a cop near me who did it in a shootout with real legit car jackers (most car jackings are a business disptute the crack buyer loaned his car to the dealer) but that was over 12 years ago.
[quote=SFGOON;1661988]The first guy strikes me as a bit of a douche - who can reload that fast yet still needs to use a sight to aim?
Second guy is amazing and defies description.[/quote]
The guy you’re trashtalking is Travis Tomasie who shoots for the US Army team… AKA the US Handgun Nationals Limited Division Champion and the Standard Division World Champion. Limited and Standard are two names for essentially the same thing. Regular Semi-automatic pistols, No compensators, or red-dot sights. He doesn’t “need a sight to aim”. He just knows that red-dot sights are faster than iron sights… Not by much, but they are.
I shot the Florida Open this year with Travis and he’s ridiculously fast. Jerry Miculek is also an incredible shooter, but when he shoots 3gun he uses an “Open Class” pistol JUST LIKE TRAVIS.
I always taught (former shooting instructor for the IDF) to use discretion, naturally if you’re running, and somehow ran out of ammo, drop that shit and keep shooting. If you’re behind a window returning fire and your mag runs out, and you have time for it, stick it in a pocket or between straps and return fire. most important thing is to renew fire, FAST!
As for reloads, I think it was 4 seconds as a bar for basic, and then hopefully they shave that time down with more experience. that’s with a used, old M-16, not a competition handgun.
The pros can have a new mag loaded and a shot off before the spent mag hits the ground. I think anything faster than the 2 second range is to the point of diminishing returns.
I just did a snap cap reload drill with my 7-shot .357 and a speedloader (not a moon clip like Jerry…) Best I could manage was 4 seconds or so. Jerry could have put 18 rounds into me in that time.
Last time I was at the range I could reload my revolver faster than Sam Browning could reload his Hi-power. That must count for something, right?