again you all compare wingchun in ring, sure wingchun not work in ring, If you want be good in cage or ring fighting join MMA.
Do you have any proof that your chun works outside the ring?
since I don’t bring my camera anytime/anywhere I can’t give you the proff, btw what make you think it’s not work? The stances ? Stupid chisao training ?
When I hear the mention of the REAL wc, I think of the classical mess with all the theories and scientific talks. The one that our asses get drilled with during classes. You know, the little idea/seeking the bridge/darting fingers… the “eternal spring” that’s suppose to make us deadly, but ends up not working much, regardless of streets/mat/or ring.
Also, “interception”… :
[quote=hitandrun;2307779]I have seen so many Failed of Bong Sao / Tan Sao blocking against the HOOK, myself included during my wc wonder years. Against a determine fighter (boxer or whatever), in the ring etc etc etc, he’ll usually hit you. You can do the whole simultaneous “tan/bong & punch” atthesametime and even if you hit him, he’ll send your head rocking back. Doesn’t matter. It’s not fun.
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W T F kind of shit is this again?!?!
Use proof online, Youtube etc, find us an example.
lol… u play too many cartoon, I tell you simple tehnique that suit with wingchun concept, ok, you say how to block the hook, well ‘who the hell wanna block the hook, esspecially from a trained boxer’, why should block the hook since you can kick their balls.
I think that most people on here are aware that chi sao is a drill and that you wouldn’t really try to play slappy hands in a streetfight.
As far as I’m concerned (yeah - some people have problems with the stances and techniques, but I’m nowhere near qualified enough to comment), it’s the same issue with any martial art that doesn’t usually train against fully-resisting opponents at full speed and as near to full power as is sane for training - how do you know that it’s going to work in a real fight, when you’ve never actually pressure tested it in conditions as near to a real fight as you’re going to be able to simulate in the dojo?
Bong sao/tan sao or whatever you called is training system, in real you can’t perform it 100% clean without being hit. And I don’t talk about chi or energy bullshit, This wingchun design for ordinary people, if you put it in ring with gloves/rules, they all dead except some modern wingchun that include grappling or other styles.
[quote=Larus marinus;2308709]I think that most people on here are aware that chi sao is a drill and that you wouldn’t really try to play slappy hands in a streetfight.
As far as I’m concerned (yeah - some people have problems with the stances and techniques, but I’m nowhere near qualified enough to comment), it’s the same issue with any martial art that doesn’t usually train against fully-resisting opponents at full speed and as near to full power as is sane for training - how do you know that it’s going to work in a real fight, when you’ve never actually pressure tested it in conditions as near to a real fight as you’re going to be able to simulate in the dojo?[/quote]
the stances you saw is not for fight is for training, and the slappy playing hands too. in real they hit when there are a changes, grab, and avoid but the point is continuity attack. So there are so many wingchun school don’t do sparr, why ? I dunno u ask them.
Tee Hee hee.
Yeah, it’s always the same talk of “simple techniques/wc concepts/etcetc.”
Okay, you certainly didn’t get the video or how all this got started.
I dunno, you tell me. You know of the R3aL.
You try that in your wc stance-front kick and you’ll get rocked back. Wait, why the fuck am I even explaining this shit to you.
So when it looks like how you train but fails in a fight, it’s not the real…
but when it fails because it’s not suppose to be used like in training, it’s … … … gee, wtf.
Blathering Blatherskite !
So what’s the secret? Is it over 9000?
Who the hell wants to block a hook from a trained boxer?
Well, just about everyone who’s in the position to be on the receiving end of a hook from a trained boxer. You can only dodge and duck so much…
Would it be possible to get a working definition of ‘Wing Chun concepts’? Sometimes it seems as though (and I’m only exaggerating slightly here) that the Chunners will claim that anyone using a punch in a fight is using WCC.
Your making Wing Chun alot more complicated then it actually is. Chi Sao is a drill which is supposed to train your sensitivity. Although this training probally won’t become useful against styles which are taught to constantly snap their attacks back (Boxing, TKD etc.) It does come in handy if you come against styles which do not (Some Karate, Most Chinese styles etc.). The idea behind Chi Sao is simple, your practiced it enough so that in a split second you know where a force is going (continuing or retracting) and you react. Tadaah…
Larus good point, though I always throw out a Bil Sao when I do back off, just incase. Saved me more then once though not more then five if you get what I mean.
Alright, yes there are aspects of Wing Chun we do train you wouldn’t use in the ring for obvious reasons, e.g Bil Gee has jabs to the eyes in which you could permenantly blind some one. But as my Sigung put it, you can use the Wing Chun concepts in the ring and they will do you good. Control the Centre, fight on the blind side etc.
They’re not Chun concepts. They belong to which ever style uses them, which is pretty much all striking styles.
It’s a inherent problem of the Chuns, to think it has exclusivity to ‘concepts’.
there are no secret. yes it’s true that chi sao is a training METHOD for your hands sensitivity, Chi sao is not the FIGHT it self… Again I say wing chun training methode is good for train your react. And I rarely see a badass in street can throw a good hook. And what’s wrong with simple tehnique that I mention, Wig chun not create fighter, like boxing or MMA.
right…
So why train in wing chun at all then?
[quote=Conde Koma;2307758]You got your own link wrong dude…
http://www.shaolinjeeshinwingchun.com.au/
Guh, this site is a nightmare to navigate. Anyway, here are some pertinent links:
http://www.shaolinjeeshinwingchun.com.au/jeeshin/wing_chun_kung_fu_videos.html
http://www.shaolinjeeshinwingchun.com.au/jeeshin/fight_night_video_menu.html
http://www.shaolinjeeshinwingchun.com.au/jeeshin/wing_chun_techniques.html
http://www.youtube.com/user/sifugarry
Since he suggested it:
http://www.shaolinjeeshinwingchun.com.au/forum2/[/quote]
Reposting since people can’t be bothered to look back a page or so.
The fight vids look more like kickboxing than WC, which prompted me to ask, why bother learning WC if you’re not going to use it in a fight? Why not just go learn kickboxing for real?
Why Train at any other style in the first place?
I’m getting annoyed at this… so I’ll just finish by saying my Chun is differant from everyone elses Chun and everyone elses chun is differant from everyone elses Chun… Fini!
Now can we just all get along and have bacon…
[quote=SwordSaintSSX;2309078]Why Train at any other style in the first place?
I’m getting annoyed at this… so I’ll just finish by saying my Chun is differant from everyone elses Chun and everyone elses chun is differant from everyone elses Chun… Fini!
Now can we just all get along and have bacon…[/quote]
See you all claim to have teh reel _ing _un .
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and I will happily insult the police with you now .