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I know I’m a relative newbie here but I gotta say this anyway (I hope I get the date right).
Vapour, 1993 is calling, it’d like a word with you.
First,
I very much like the fencing analogy. I’ve been using it for a long time now!
I call it “Boby-Fencing”. I’m even planning on possibly copyrighting the term!
But it develops differents skills: accuracy, hitting first, gettting in and then getting out.
As far as competitive sparring with pads, there is an articel in the current (March) issue of blackbelt magazine, which is a reprint of an article they first printed in 1969, about something they call Nipon Kenpo (pg. 113). It is obviously some kind of competitive sparring with pads. Infact it is in part about Goki Kinuya, who is very important in the modern lineage on Okinawan MA. Anyway, compliments on the good thread!!! I likey.
Peace, Love & Soul Music,
-Psychedelic
I’m sure Bruce Lee would feel very vindicated. :new_all_c :XXhippylo
I still think you guys sre missing the point here!. Even in the Okinawan arts - pressure points are still a feature aspect and as far as I can reason, that’s the reason for the pads and rules as they are, and also the reason for the break between points … these strikes unpadded are meant to take you down or incapacitate you and there fore to continue is a whole new game…
And that’s why i think point sparring and fighting ( despite what google wants to tell you ) has orgins elsewhere.
We already know that these arts have root in cma and so does pressure pont familarity full stop ( if not waay back in hindu kalripayattu India) so if anyone else has anything informed to add from a historical perspective - i’m going to love to read your response.
cheers
BtL
Pressure points are the reason for no contact striking?
OKaaaayyyyyy … and you claim this because?
Beeecause , after speaking to an ma associate who’s been playng and competing in Cambodia and other places around the traps, after he spent some time training in Shaolin village in China, and hearing him explain the rules and his own gripes ( coming form a predominantly westen boxing background meets whatever mostly external stylings he;s been drilling in hi last several yrs travel), coupled with my own 16 + yrs of tcma and pressure point training, I have little no doubt whatsoever that the reason for the pads the pads and knee rules and head strike rules are what they are.
The places where the pads are - are where the majority of ‘vital’ strike points lay. . hence getting points for striking there and the restart… The rules regarding strikes to other places where the vital strikes are , are also deemed off-limits…like the face and some leg strikes … If you’re unfamiliar with pressure points, I really suggest you just sit back a moment and let some one informed speak…
Cheers
Blooming Lotus
Ok, so considering use of pressure points in fighting is proven to be crap…where lies the basis for your reasoning, uninformed theory?
Well you are both wrong.
nd being ‘kalaripayattu’ was the first fighting art to use pressure points
Wrong. Nigerian Dambe is one of many African MA that used vital or weak points (i hate the term pressure points) and it predates Kalari but almost a thousand years.
and that I haven’t actually heard of non-traditional or ring combat mopdified kalripayattu
Kalari is done competiviely. I’ve seen this first hand and it wasn’t sure as hell wasn’t point sparring. It was looked very similar to MMA now but a bit more stylized.
first ever point sparring tournaments were held by the Japan Karate-do Association. AKA: JKA Shotokan. They were Ippon Shobu and took place in the 50’s.
The first tournaments were done by Shotokan that used IPPON SHOBU format.
Many believe that it is a manifestation of the IKKESATSU idea but it could also come form the practice of JIYU IPPON KUMITE practice that was done in Okinawa.
Proven to be crap has it?? and thaat’s why all the ko’s in your ufc and mma’s and mt bouts are a result of pressure strikes .because it’s crap!?! . you’re an idiot. Go read something.
BtL
Pressure points have NOTHING to do with a Knock Out in MT or MMA. That is quite asinine. I guess Mike Tyson, Lewis, and Holyfield must be masters of PPKOs! :boxing:
Proven to be crap has it?? and thaat’s why all the ko’s in your ufc and mma’s and mt bouts are a result of pressure strikes .
No, they are a result of the brain colliding with the inside of the skull, or a vital organ being hit. They’re blunt force trauma KOs, not fucking pressure points.
I’ve seen it, I’ve felt it, I’ve done it. It has nothing to do with pressure points.
NO NO NO NO NO!!! Mike Tyson’s knockouts, or most anyone’s for that matter that result from a punch or a kick or a knee to the head, happen because of shock to the neck!!!
And NOT becuase of the brain hitting the inside of the scull. It’s an over-extention of the neck, a whipping in the spine at the top of the neck that triggers a built-in natural response in most any human… complete shut down (i.e. knockout). That is a MEDICAL FACT! Knockout from a strike to the head is because of spine-shock, not brain-shock. So, that means it is also NOT because of “pressure points” either! And honestly, I think you are both condescending and smart-ass, and disrespectful to the subject to say the least. This is not little boys bickering on the playground, speak to eachother with respect, like true Martial Artists should!!! All this bickering is downing my ride baby!!!
Man, I love the web. Rather than gaining information by empirical testing and certified knowledge, we can get it from random half-witted strangers.
Hee, hee. Been training for 17 years. I’m one year more god-like than you.
What pads? Most arts that pad use different configurations. My art uses shin-pads, occasionally. Is the shin a pressure point now?
The vital points of the body are eyes, throat, groin, shin. At least so sayth my lord. And it’s better to hit’em hard with a hand or foot than weeny around with pressure points.
You DO know that pressure points are basically mythical? They kinda-sorta exist – the theory is sound but the practise is virtually impossible. I’ve met and trained with ONE guy who can do them, full contact, full speed and make them work. He’s a cyborg of some sort, i think. The most effective, however, was just behind the ankle. Useful while grappling, not for much else.
For the record, without knowing what was supposed to happen, he pressed that pressure point and I literally couldn’t stand. So I know that such things do and can exist. And in 17 years I’ve met ONE person – a mutant who can do anything – who can make them work.
There is no evidence you meet this requirement. Go away and let the grown-ups talk.
What? What are you babbling about? Did the little pixies at the end of the garden tell you this or something? Do they also tell you to burn things?
Um…no.
That is from the National Library of Health at the National Institute of Health Wesbsite (http://www.nlm.nih.gov).
If you read further it lists loss of consciousness as a symptom of a head injury. If you also read the article on head injuries, it says that a head injury is sometimes accompanied by a neck injury which is why paramedics always put a c-collar on patients with head injuries, as a precaution. This is more serious, but absolutely not the cause of KOs. Neck injuries may accompany KOs, but they don’t have to.
Head Injury article is available here:
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000028.htm
So, you regularly punch people in the forehead do you?
Edit: Just like to add that I don’t entirely disagree with the point, but there are multiple factors effecting a knockout, not just “brain shaking”.
As well as causing concussive shaking, a solid punch to the jaw also disrupts the flow a blood to the brain by causing the carotid arteries in the neck to compress. It also fucks up the inner ear temporarily (causing your opponent to lose his balance and fall on his arse, lol).
Still got fuck all to do with pressure points though…
I should have phrased that differently:
A whole bunch of crap can happen when I get KO’ed, but the WORST PART IN MY OPINION IS MY BRAIN COLLIDING WITH MY SKULL.
I agree with you. Pretty much.
This was the part that I took issue with. He made it sound like the only cause of knockouts is “spine-shock”.
And no, I don’t usually punch people in the forehead, I just liked the picture. Made it look like I did a lot of research.
Any time your skull moves faster than your brain…concussion.