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A few years back I took an Intro to Judo college class after about 3 years of Aikido. At the end of each class we’d do 20 minutes or so of ne waza practice. We’d sit back to back with someone, the instructor would call “hajime” and go. I found I could roll over to my knees and shikko around the high school wrestlers on all fours and the Judoka, turtling, and I’d have a solid 5 to 10 seconds of a real advantage. Of course that would evaporate nearly instantly after contact, but still, it was a skill that Aikido valued and Judo didn’t, huzzah for me.

The other thing that Aikido provided me was solid ukemi skills. Not superb, but solid.

So what’s Aikido good for? I’m not sure exactly, but not Judo. Not wrestling. And I’ll speculate, probably not Tae Kwon Do. For me it’s been damn good at getting me off the couch a couple times a week.

A few weeks ago a thick-necked boy came in to Aikido class, where we always start with tenkan and I chose to work with him, the first thing he did was grab my arm and yank the holy hell out of me and tells me “This is how I’d do it. I do Muay Thai and wrestling and Judo.” and when I tried to explain, he’d just go limp and stare around. It continued like that everytime I tried working with him all night long to my deep frustration and embarassment.

To wrap up, this seemed like a good enough thread to say “If you come to an Aikido class, please play along. Even if you’re doing the Ki Aikido with the streamers we all laugh at.” It’s not wrestling, the aikibunnies who think it is will find out on their own time. If you’re going to sigh and complain, email me ahead of time so I can stay at home and jack off in the way god intended.

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Welcome to the thread and your first infraction.

[quote=Blix;2460769]To wrap up, this seemed like a good enough thread to say “If you come to an Aikido class, please play along. Even if you’re doing the Ki Aikido with the streamers we all laugh at.” It’s not wrestling, the aikibunnies who think it is will find out on their own time. If you’re going to sigh and complain, email me ahead of time so I can stay at home and jack off in the way god intended.[/quote]No one here is particularly interested in “playing along” or the image of you “jacking off”

Refrain from posting in this thread unless you wish to contribute sensibly - more infractions will follow and or a temp ban if you persist otherwise.

Am I clear ?

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Hmmm… to be honest Simio de las Rocas, its this kind of heavy handed response to admittedly, what may be an unsavoury description by Blix, that puts me off posting more regularly.

I noted that for all the stern and presumably sincere proclamation of distate at Blix’s choice of words, that this thread was then immediately posted out to Twitter. I dont quite follow the logic…if Bullshido feels this type of description is unsuitable, then why was it sent out to the larger community to read?

When i read Blix’s post, i found it interesting. Could the description be better phrased? Possibly. Am i scarred for life? No. Will my opinion of Bullshido be affected? No.

When I read that a moderator has stomped on a user for an unfortunate choice of words and then that conversation is subsequently posted out to the Twitter community, well that does affect my opinion.

Are you clear? Id say you were pretty transparent.

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[QUOTE=J0nnymac;2461212]
Are you clear? Id say you were pretty transparent.[/QUOTE]

Well aren’t you clever?

The reason Simio de las Rocas came down on that post so heavily, as far as I can tell, is not the reference to masturbation. It’s that he suggests that people come to Aikido and ‘play along’. That is the complete opposite of what this forum is about. No one cares if people are being taught an ineffectual art like Tai Chi. The difference is that I have never once heard someone who was teaching Tai Chi claim that it is good for self defense and that claim is made in just about every Aikido club across the country. Most martial arts have things that would be useful in a self-defense or MMA atmosphere, the problem is largely the way they are trained. ‘Playing along’ ensures that you’re get absolutely nothing worthwhile out of it.

Edit: Except learning a new way to dance.

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[QUOTE=Simio de las Rocas;2460791]
No one here is particularly interested in “playing along” or the image of you “jacking off”
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Sorry, that simply isnt how Simio’s response reads to me.

Nor do i get the impression that Blix is suggesting that you turn up to Aikido and pretend it works. The meaning of “playing along” I understand from Blix’s post, was cooperation in order to learn technique. A concept and method shared by a number of martial arts.

Even if I have totally misread the whole thing and you have interpreted it correctly, it makes even less sense to come down on Blix like a ton of bricks. If you/Simio believe he is wrong, then give him the benefit if your experience and explain why (that way we can all come to an informed conclusion based on the discussion). He can improve and so can we.

A heavy handed reply and a broadcast to the world on Twitter does noone any any favours…

As for your response about me being clever - im not sure how helpful that is.

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The response was appropriate to the original location of the thread… in that it was a serious discussion, within a MODERATED area of the site. (it was then culled from that thread and moved)

The response was appropriate in that, the content of the original thread discussed the merits of a particular martial art which is already, and has been (for good reason) berated for it’s training methods, was commented upon by Blix (someone not previously involved in the discussion), expressing one of the VERY SAME SENTIMENTS which contribute to the system being considered a joke within a wider martial arts community.

I cannot comment of the Twitter connection because I’m not involved in how this site and it’s discussions are interfaced with social networking hubs however; please feel free to PM Phrost or any of the other Staff involved in the technical running of the website.

The response was appropriate because the final paragraph indicated to me, that Blix wasn’t attempting to contribute to the overall content of the discussion.

Finally, if you really think I’ve been heavy handed in my moderation of that thread.

Go talk to Omega.

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Yeah kind of the way I read it too. Hi a person came into my yellow bamboo class and diddnt collapse when I threw chi balls at him I rally think people should play along even if my techniques are completly based in fantasy.

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I was the one that moved the first two posts out. Sometimes I add a note where the post(s) came from but didn’t that time. I’m offended no one liked my witty thread title, I should have remembered but it was quite late at night for me.

Being broadcasted on Twitter was not an active move to increase exposure to this new thread. All new threads become Twitter notifications that are auto-generated. I did not know a thread splitting would have that effect, but am unfortunately unable to reverse it, if I were so inclined.

That was how I read it.
I reviewed this thread in the moderator forum before I moved it and I am in agreement with it and how it was handled. I had to read it a few times to make sure I understood what I was reading.

Did someone just post to first note that the way most schools today train Aikido is completely unrealistic, but then recommend to everyone on the whole internet that ‘you should just go along with it’?

Where is the growing level of resistance to gain a true understanding how a technique is applied? Why would you willingly allow someone to live in a fantasy world if it could bring them harm?

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I appreciate the measured response.

In fairness to it, I read and re-read both Blix’s post and your recent reply.

As someone who wants to post more often, I wanted to understand why it was necessary to threatened Blix with a temporary ban, treat his response with contempt and then attempt to humiliate him publically by posting all of it on Twitter.

I could see little in his post or your explanation that warranted it.

Your reasoning although politely written seems to me entirely subjective. I say this as I did not lift the same meaning that you did from his statement, but then I did for a short time practice Aikido, before realising that it was not for me. Possibly having practiced the art that Blix describes gives me a diffeent view.

While I was there I did treat the instructors and the pupils with respect, I did cooperate so students could practice their technique (as ive done in Japanese Jujitsu) and I didnt go limp and resist every technique practiced. If thats “playing along” I admit to it.

You mention that the Tweeting of posts is not something you are involved in, fair enough, I hope i didnt suggest that you were.

Out of interest though, I kept an eye on the posts that have been Tweeted. Certainly all threads are not Tweeted. Nor where my subsequent posts on that thread Tweeted, so at first glance it doesnt appear to be an automatic process aligned to certain threads.

Im really hoping though, that noone at Bullshido intentionally selected the thread to post on Twitter. If this is the case, my respect for the site just dropped several points.

Thank you for providing me with a way forward to determine how and why certain posts are chosen for publication to Twitter, Ill be making use of it.

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PizDoff…as I sent the response I saw that you had already posted.

I appreciate the explanation of the Twitter process. Its reassuring to a large degree that Blix wasnt intentionally singled out for public ridicule.

Although its unfortunate in my view, for both the sites and Blix’s reputation that it happened at all.

Thanks for the response and for demonstrating that members concerns are taken seriously.

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Am I the only one that read in the OP that they started Judo newaza back to back?

How does that even work?

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Again you nor anyone but the mods in this thread read the original thread. So, you complaining about “subjective” without context is unwarranted. This is an off topic removed post from a strictly moderated thread.

The rules in that forum are harsher and subject to temp bans. I do notice, in your rant, you didn’t apologize for accusing Simo of something he didn’t do.

Even if I have totally misread the whole thing and you have interpreted it correctly, it makes even less sense to come down on Blix like a ton of bricks. If you/Simio believe he is wrong, then give him the benefit if your experience and explain why (that way we can all come to an informed conclusion based on the discussion). He can improve and so can we.

GO READ THE ORIGINAL THREAD. The explanations and discussion were way past that post.

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[quote=helmutlvx;2461528]Am I the only one that read in the OP that they started Judo newaza back to back?

How does that even work?[/quote]

We do that. You sit down back to back, the instructor calls “hajime”, you turn as explosively as possible and begin ne waza. I imagine it is for training your reflex and preparation for anything.

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Huh. So do you, like, spin on your ass?

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You can. I sort of push away then turn cause I am a fatty and not that fast.

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[QUOTE=It is Fake;2461532] So, you complaining about “subjective” without context is unwarranted.
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How would you define unwarranted in this instance?

I was directly responding to Simio’s explanation of his interpretation of Blix’s comment (which by the way included an outline of the context) so the use of the word “subjective” was justified.

Also if you take the time to look at the words in the same sentence as subjective, you will also note “seems to me”. Therefore this is a true statement in fact, as it did indeed seem to me to be entirely subjective.

You also state that I should apologise to Simio for accusing him of…what exactly?

While we are on the subject of apologies, ive not heard one person speak on behalf of Blix who although posting his views in good faith on Bullshido, has now been slammed on the very public forum that is Twitter. Does noone other than myself see a problem with that?

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Man, I need to do some fuckin’ Judo.

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[quote=J0nnymac;2461544]

How would you define unwarranted in this instance?

I was directly responding to Simio’s explanation of his interpretation of Blix’s comment (which by the way included an outline of the context) so the use of the word “subjective” was justified. [/quote] Which occurred in a thread you have not read and is out of context.

Also if you take the time to look at the words in the same sentence as subjective, you will also note “seems to me”. Therefore this is a true statement in fact, as it did indeed seem to me to be entirely subjective.

See above.

You also state that I should apologise to Simio for accusing him of…what exactly?
See above.

While we are on the subject of apologies, ive not heard one person speak on behalf of Blix who although posting his views in good faith on Bullshido, has now been slammed on the very public forum that is Twitter. Does noone other than myself see a problem with that?
Then you better get started apologizing because, you have a ton of posters to apologize to for not defending them with the zeal your are using for Blix.

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It Is Fake.

Im really trying not to be difficult. Im trying really hard to sift specific concerns from your posts. The last thing i want to do is cause offence …

Having said that, merely quoting me and not answering the questions posed doesnt really help me all that much to understand what your problem is. I have looked hard at your post, with little success, for example the reference you make to me not being aware of context is actually a quote where i refer to the Simio’s description of context. So im afraid im not grasping it…sorry

Id really like to address your concerns with my posts, because i would not want anyone to be offended by anything i had written. So if you wouldnt mind could you articulate specific points and then if there is a quote which actually backs up what you say post it alongside?

If you read my initial post, you would i hope see that my point was that aggressively shutting down a user and then posting that slam onto Twitter will not encourage people to post.

I still believe that to be correct and true. I dont feel that what i have done is innapropriate.

You now state that i should be apologising to a lot of posters…? Really? Why is that? Who else should i now be defending? I am defending Blix because i read the post on Twitter and i was shocked and suprised by it, to the extent where i needed to raise it.

I dont see anything wrong in that…

Clearly though, you seem to be ok with it.

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[quote=J0nnymac;2461569]It Is Fake.

Im really trying not to be difficult. Im trying really hard to sift specific concerns from your posts. The last thing i want to do is cause offence …

Having said that, merely quoting me and not answering the questions posed doesnt really help me all that much to understand what your problem is. I have looked hard at your post, with little success, for example the reference you make to me not being aware of context is actually a quote where i refer to the Simio’s description of context. So im afraid im not grasping it…sorry

Id really like to address your concerns with my posts, because i would not want anyone to be offended by anything i had written. So if you wouldnt mind could you articulate specific points and then if there is a quote which actually backs up what you say post it alongside?

If you read my initial post, you would i hope see that my point was that aggressively shutting down a user and then posting that slam onto Twitter will not encourage people to post.

I still believe that to be correct and true. I dont feel that what i have done is innapropriate.

You now state that i should be apologising to a lot of posters…? Really? Why is that? Who else should i now be defending? I am defending Blix because i read the post on Twitter and i was shocked and suprised by it, to the extent where i needed to raise it.

I dont see anything wrong in that…

Clearly though, you seem to be ok with it.[/quote]You also don’t see anything wrong with making repeated assumptions, not reading what other people have explained to you and ignoring context.

Simo, Pizdoff, and I have answered your questions. The only concerned person in this thread is the poster reading way to much into every post.

Yes, that’s you. No, I am not going to explain further because that soapbox is built out of straw.