Quite a wake up call…
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2003-10-19-silver-star-cover_x.htm
I read this from MMA.TV back when Bullshido was down. I totally forgot about it till you reposted it.
Good stuff.
Whoa good story.
I wonder how his eyes turned out.
““There aren’t any widows or orphans because of him,” Ourada says of Pryor.”
No…of course not. :rolleyes:
The men were “direct action” A-Team members, also known as assaulters, door-kickers or “five-minute wonders.” They are the first to enter buildings, and they use SWAT team-like tactics.
I would now like to strangle that reporter. A Special Forces A-team uses “SWAT team-like tactics”? Fucking moron.
With one good arm, Pryor grabbed his enemy by the hair. But the man’s weight, combined with the 80 pounds of Army gear that Pryor wore, caused the two to fall. They landed on Pryor’s left elbow, and the impact jammed his shoulder back into its socket.
Thank you.
He should have had better back upm that is NOT how you clean and sweep a room, ANY room.
But, that aside, yes, indeed, real combat… not pretty, never has been, never will be.
Space disappears real quick, everyhting becomes in your face, you remember everything, the look, the smell of their breath, how greasy their hari felt…
Damn.
He got lucky.
Ronin is right. No one clears a room alone. And there must have been some reason why they weren’t tossing grenades in the rooms ahead of them. But hey, I wasn’t in group, so I can only assume they either knew exactly what they were doing, or they lost control of the plan. If the second, then hey, I’m sure any conventional infantry unit in the world would have done much worse.
Most of us…its like we’re just playing games.
Hard Man, Hard Target !
This story raises an issue to me about training. First, imagine this soldier in action entering that room and engaging the enemy. Can you imagine the fear, dread, feelings of panic, despair, and terror that he must have been experiencing? How does a soldier train for that? How can you pull the trigger or remember how to apply the choke with all that emotion and adrenaline rushing through your head and your body? How does an MA train for that? Does practicing one step sparring do it? How about full contact sparring? How will you know you are ready to survive a situation like that?
The difference between a warrior, a soldier, a true MA, from that of a sport athlete is not the techniques, not the style they practise, but their MENTAL attitude towards combat.
One sees competition, they other survival.
Wastrel - Me thinks that they possibly wanted to capture and not just kill, therefore the use of flashbangs…
Originally posted by blankslate
This story raises an issue to me about training. First, imagine this soldier in action entering that room and engaging the enemy. Can you imagine the fear, dread, feelings of panic, despair, and terror that he must have been experiencing? How does a soldier train for that? How can you pull the trigger or remember how to apply the choke with all that emotion and adrenaline rushing through your head and your body? How does an MA train for that? Does practicing one step sparring do it? How about full contact sparring? How will you know you are ready to survive a situation like that?
They have live fire simulations…
Full contact…
Realist training and being mentally aware of what CAN happen, the worst case sceanario.
How many of us train for that? for the worst case scenario?
How many train for the 6-6 280lbs monster?
How many train for the hidden knife?
How many train for the 3 on 1 ??
I missed that with the flashbangs Pizd…on the other hand…ohnevermind.
SWAT teams don’t train that poorly, not the ones in big cities like LA and NYC anyway. They are in no way as prepared for combat as you SEALS or Special Forces types though. I think the reporter just meant that the team was trained in urban tactics and that is what SWAT is supposed to do here in the States.
(I have nothing but respect for what military guys like Wastrel, Vargas and Asia do for our country.)
I almost hate to say this but I got flamed a lot a while back talking about the use of neck breaks which we were trained in. A lot of folks said it cant be done etc. Yet here it is in the real world and it did work. I dont think he invented that at the moment. People tend to fight like they train both good and bad.
Originally posted by ronin69
The difference between a warrior, a soldier, a true MA, from that of a sport athlete is not the techniques, not the style they practise, but their MENTAL attitude towards combat.
One sees competition, they other survival.
The article talks about the toll combat takes on the soldiers. I think it changes them. The difference between a ma and a soldier is large. When mountain biking, a group of college age morons were racing around blind turns on a trail that was crowded with families hiking. We yelled at them to slow down and were not respected. I was ready to kick a couple off their bikes when I looked at Rich, a Vietnam Marine Corps veteran. The look on his face told me that he had killed and was capable of killing, that he knew violence and was both ruthless and thoughtful, and that I practice ma.
It is rather easy, unfortunatly, to break someones neck, i don’t know why anyone would doubt that or give you a hard time about it.
The differnce between a MA and a soilder/warrior is not the much, bit I think it is greater now than it ever has been.
I think the difference was more between you and your friend than form MA to soilder.
A MA shoul dhave the same outlook and mental attitude of a warrior, of course nowadays the term MA is thrown around alot, if you do a MA you are a Martial artist, and that is not true, a Martial Artist is someone who practises a Martial Art, not a sport , not a competitive “MA”, but someone who practices an art of combat.
If you train for fun, for exerercise, for competition, you are NOT a martial artist.