Defense Class Aims to Thwart Sexual Predators

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[i] Defense Class Aims to Thwart Sexual Predators

Published Date: 02-21-2006 10:47 PM
As more people become concerned with the threat of sexual predators, one class is offering local women some lessons in self defense. First at ten Mankato’s American Academy of Tae Kwon Do is hosting it’s first self defense class for women. But news 12’s Andrea Bullard shows us, these students are learning more than just martial arts. Tae Kwon Do is a Korean defense form that means the art of kicking and punching. While the moves are aesthetically pleasing to watch, they can also pack a powerful punch. Violence doesn’t discriminate, it’s sometimes timing, it’s not just a big city anymore, it’s for everybody. For two hours, women filled the American academy of tae Kwon do to learn basic self defense and easy escape moves.

Many mother and daughter combos came to the class to give each other a peace of mind. She’s going to be in college next year and I just thought it would just be good for the both of us. The easy to do moves ranged from pressure points to getting away from bear hugs. The palm strike is a simple defense move, and if you can break a board you can break a nose. Its simple, its quick, its effective, its really easy to reach in that way and you can just go away, our number one thing is you don’t hurt unless you have to.

In addition to the martial arts, these students got some lessons on how to avoid dangerous situations in the first place. When the classes are done, they’ll not only have a basic understanding of defense moves but a better understanding of how danger can strike.

Our resistance to want to learn self defense is because people don’t think it’s going to happen to them. But the final lesson is that being prepared can sometimes make all the difference. In Mankato, Andrea Bullard, news 12. If you’re interested in signing up for a self defense class, there will be one this coming Saturday at one thirty. If you have more questions about the class you can call 507-386-7400[/i]
Originaly article and some vid at
http://www.keyc.com/article/view/93580/

*Edited for ease of reading.

In my travels to get news articles for Bullshido, I have come upon two article headlines:
“Martial arts teacher pleads not guilty to fondling”
and right underneath it
“Defense Class Aims to Thwart Sexual Predators”

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If they break hardwood, then I’ll be impressed.

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What’s with this recurring fallacy that if you can break a crappy pinewood board you can somehow break a nose?

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just like a typical mcdojo school that has weakened boards for kids to break, i guess. gives that feeling and satisfaction that you’re dominating… a piece of wood at least.

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I bet that really turns them on. Fantasies of domination and power! WOO! What a rush.

But breaking soild wood blocks teaches one to aim past the surface. Isn’t that how strikes are supposed to occur? But if thats their only training in aiming past the surface then bah…

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Well breaking a nose with a palm strike is not that hard, profiding the oponent doesn’t move his head :slight_smile:

Also what comes after they brake the nose ? I mean they are now facing a really pist off attacker with blood on his face…

If I understood well this is a 2 hour course ??!! and they go through how to see a ‘dangerous’ situation and SD moves!!

I think to defend against ‘sexual’ predators learning the triangle choke from the guard would be more usefull than punching wood boards…

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If you watched the whole article they didn’t say they were teaching how to break boards, it was just something a news person do to get your attention, just like sport karate bastards like to yell alot. They were talking about fast ways to get out of an attack and get somewhere safe and how to handle your surrondings in unfamiler area’s. How could you have a 100lb women try to do a triangle choke on a lets say a 200lb man, not gonna happen, the point in self defense is to run not stay and try to fight dumbass. Just typical wannabe MMA fighters who think there the best and they know how to handle themselves if someone wipped out a knife at ya. They think they could beat anyone up. Someone is always better, I think it would be a good idea to just run away from the situation if you could and not find out if your better. A true martial artist is humble and will never hurt anyone if they didn’t have to. They don’t go talking smak about other schools or judging someone just because they heard 1 thing. Never judge someone cause your more likely wrong about them. You can be a Martial Artist or just be a person that thinks there baddass and there the shit, if you think that way, then you the one that went to a MC Dojo School

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  1. Name a MMA/BJJ/MT self-defense class that advocates NOT running away. Do not dodge this question. I know you’re going to anyway, and fuck you in advance for it.

  2. I’ve been triangled by women 60+ lbs lighter than me, and I know how to defend against a triangle (well, you could say that. If you’re generous.) Also, Royce Gracie v Dan Severn.

I would like to add that you are claiming that learning how to fight will lower your chances of survival in an attack on your person.

lolretardsarefunny

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yeah we’ve got a new Troll !

little fact :

  1. if you only have 2 hours DO NOT teach any MA moves tell them how to avoid being in the wrong place

  2. A triangle choke by a 100lb woman will do more than a stupid strike as their is NO WAY that a 100lb woman will have enough power to really hurt a 200lb man on the ground their something called leverage! And the ground is were the SEXUAL predator is going to take you so it make sense to defend from there.

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Ok does the trinagle choke give you a 100% gurantee that you will get out of that situation. No alot of times it’s doesn’t have to go to the ground. In Fact nothing in the Martial Arts in a 100% gurantee to work. I think that people who teaches self defense needs to stress that and any school who teaches any type of martial arts is 100% garenteed. There is alot of times you can avoid situations and there is alot of times you can’t but you teach average people just some simple tools to help get them by. These people don’t want to take MA they just wants some tips and it doesn’t hurt to teach people that. A triangle choke will take some time and training to learn. A 1st timer will not now how to react or what to do even if they learned it once. Self Defense classes I think should be just simple stuff, but you tell them its not always a 100%. If you want to learn hardcore stuff join a school.

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I’ll let you in on some statistics I picked up while researching crime and how criminals attack. 80% of females are attacked from behind and immediately end up on the ground.

In the class, we were told by the instructors that this was psychological, the men felt ashamed to be attacking women and hence did it from behind to avoid humanizing the faces of their victims. Whether or not you accept the psychological explanation, most women are attacked from behind.

Second, learn something about rape as well. Most women who are raped know the person who does it. What happens is usually what we call “escalating aggression”. Guy buys dinner, movie, and drinks and think this entitles him to sex. Woman disagrees. The argument builds up more and more until the guy ends up raping the girl. The worst thing the woman could do is punch the guy in the face as this is a guaranteed aggression escalator. Smarter would be to teach the woman how to recognize signs of escalating aggression, how to talk to him to avoid him getting more upset and likely to use force, etc.

Also, since the group will probably already be in a hugging/kissing/fondling position already, they are already in the grappling range.

Let’s review now. I can ramble so people sometimes lose my points. Recapping:

Point One: Most common rape scenario. Usually is date rape and usually is a form of escalating aggression. The woman will already be in the grappling range as this person knows her and is close to her already. Striking will not help much.

Point Two: The rapist that beats the women up and leaves them for dead. Typically attacks from behind and is quick and sudden with the violence before the women realize what is happening. The woman will be on the ground before she even knows she is being attacked.

In other words, any striking scenario is devoid of any and all experience related to actual rape cases and what occurs when an attacker rapes a woman. The best bet would be to learn movements that allow a woman to quickly escape from the ground and run away. Following that, any type of submission movement will vastly beat any strike because submissions require leverage moreso than strikes do. I’ve trained about a dozen female boxers, and I’ll let you in on a “no duh” secret. Men hit a lot harder than women do, even highly trained women. Trading blows with someone is straight up moronic for a female who is not trained to fight.

In two hours, there is not a lot you could teach that would be useful for self-defense. A much more wise use of the time would be explaining how to recognize escalating aggression, learn how to avoid places that are close to a populated area but too far away for people to help, (rooms at a house party away from the main scene, the parking lot outside of a grocery store, etc.), get a dog, avoid parking next to van’s, and so forth and so on.

To me, this is the highest level of bullshido. They are teaching stuff that will get a woman raped or murdered, because they do not know what the fuck they are talking about. You can only hope they don’t have to use this stuff in a real fight. The only advantage is that statistics show women who fight their rapists have a better survival rate than women who don’t. (*) Like any predator, he’s looking for an easy mark, and putting up a fight will discourage many of them. Tae Kwon Do simply ain’t the tool for the job.

(* Psychologists divide rapists up into profiles. Date rapists are the most likely to stop because of a hard fight. The “beat and mug” type of rapist will usually get worse if the victim fights back.)

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Perhaps I can shed some light on what was done during those 2 hrs, this is the school I go to. It was a women’s self defense class so I wasn’t actually there, so I’ll get more exact information later from the owner and instructors.

  1. I believe that they spent some time talking about recognizing dangerous situations and how to stay away from them.

  2. They weren’t showing them TKD specific manuvers, but simple quick “effective” manuvers to break away and create space. (again, I will have to talk with the owner/instructors on specifics)

  3. I’m all up for people learning grappling. These men are overpowering women, what is to stop these men from picking them up and slamming them down when the women tries to put on a choke or lock?

oh, and the board breaking was just in the news, not in class.

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It looks like you shut everybody up

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Gee, why don’t you go try doing that to a <120 lb BJJ blue belt?

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If that’s what was taught, good for them for teaching something useful. It’s still hearsay though, all we have is the newsclip and that didn’t make things look good for them.

The last question is a good one, but most people aren’t going to slam you while you put on a lock or choke, because they injure themselves and the person they slam. Most people get slammed when they are laying in the guard w/o working for anything. Anyone more advanced just stands up whenever a guard slam is attempted, or goes for the flying armbar.

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Can you become a blue belt in BJJ in a 2 hr seminar?

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Ok, slamming aside. What, if any, moves/techniques would you show for these women to use trying to stay away from these predators. Obviously knowledge of not getting into vulnerable situations is of utmost importance vs learn a bunch of moves (but still important).

Would you show them escapes to intial grabs like a wrist or hair that these attackers could possibly use to stop them from getting away?

Bearhug/tackle from behind?

Do you most of the moves that require standing up as that is usually how an encounter will start? or from a prone position as to that is the most dangerous?

Are these moves simple enough to a) execute in a few secs, b) get/keep them on their feet to run away, c) can be taught and practiced to 30 people in 2hrs minus speaking about identifying and removing oneself from these situations.

I haven’t had a chance to really sit down and speak to the owner of our school to get specifics. I hope to sometime this next week (work has been keeping me busy)

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The main thing to remeber here, rape is not done in a controled cage match, it is real life. Victim A walking to there car with an armload of groceries. Perp A see’s said victim and waits till she is bent over either in the trunk/hatch back, back seat or front seat. The attack, at this point, they have one thing on there mind, most wont give a rats ass if they get hurt a bit, there there for the rush, to get off. So yes, an attacker would slam the victim down at there own expense, maybe they want to shut there prey up? The key is being aware, and if the unthinkable happens, how to get free with as much of yourself intact as possible. Joe and Jane World dont care about triangle chokes or arm bars, when put in a crisis situation, there not thinking about where to strike, there thinking “Oh shit, not me, not now” It has to be basic instinct or nothing at all.

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YEAH well it could be worse. some hapkido joints sell kubotans for womens self - defence.

‘Kubotan strikes are most effective at medium range such as when an assailant reaches out to grab or push his victim. The extending limb can be disabled with a quick, snapping strike.’

I figured these things sucked when i was like 8.

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In two hours, I wouldn’t show them anything as far as basic escapes go. A rapist isn’t going to grab the wrist. That I’ve personally encountered as far as rape goes:

1.) Victim was in the room of a hotel and the perpetrator was drunk. He knocks on the door and she answers. He rushes the door when she opens it, tackles her, punches her unconscious, and rapes her.

2.) Victim was in her house and the rapist was waiting outside. She opens up a window to let the room air out. Perpetrator, (Piece of shit) goes into the house threw the window with a knife, holds it to the victim’s throat, and rapes her. Victim hit speed dial on her phone and dialed her mom, who heard the sounds going on and called the police.

I’ve encountered rap-ish situations while I’ve been in the military. I don’t put those in the same category because those stories sound like this: “Well, we were both having drinks and I wanted to sleep with him, but he didn’t say he loved me while we were having sex, so I didn’t want him anymore. Was I raped?” (Yes, that same scenario has happened 3 times while I’ve been in service.) Not to be insensitive, but I just can’t compare having a tiff with your boyfriend a rape scenario in the same sense as having someone beat you to a pulp or put a knife to your throat. Sorry ladies.

I’ve seen wrist grabs more often whenever couples argue. I haven’t seen rapists use it. They typically tackle and attack from behind. GnP if they’re violent, else they warn the victim they will get violent if the person screams. Fights with small people against big people usually end up on the ground, and in this case, that’s the aim of the rapist. So, it’s more important to teach covering and striking from the guard, guard reversals, avoiding takedowns, and quick escaping rather than wrist-grabs or bear-hugs. Bear hug takedowns do happen, but they’re quicker than most people think to escape them.

So, in my scenario of what I would teach:

1.) Signs of awareness. When approaching the car, do you have your keys already or are you fumbling for them? Does the person look around while walking or seem unaware of the surroundings? This is how criminals gauge their targets.

2.) Get a dog. Not only are they awesome, but interviews with rapists show that dogs are a huge factor in whether or not they’ll attack a woman.

3.) Avoiding ‘outside’ areas. Places like rooms at a house party, empty lots outside of a grocery store, alleys near a bar, places near a major source of activity that someone will be going there, but not often enough that too many people could discover what’s going on.

4.) Escapes from mounted, guard, and other positions. This would have to take place over a more prolonged course, with the intent on teaching them how to avoid situations where the person is attempting to choke them or punch them while in the ground. The attack will occur without warning, so there won’t be squaring up or any type of on-the-feet fighting. It will usually go to the ground before the victim is even aware of what’s going on.