Im trying to throw a punch with the same power mechanics as a boxer.
The problem is I cant rotate my hips. It just dosnt seem possible.
I was told to pretend to put a cigerette out with my foot in order to get my hips to move. Sometimes this works and I punch with alot of power. The problem is it only works once out of 100 attempts. So it seems hopeless.
I would be hugely grateful if you could tell me how to get my hips working correctly!
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Its guys like you that start new trends, try it and find out then let us know!
Go for the collar bone, potential fight ender right there, plus they wont expect it as its a no head kick fight, plus they are thai fighters so they probably wont be able to defend against it very well.
A fake axe kick sets up punches fairly well as your stance dosnt change much at all. Blends nicely into a jab cross or a cross. Telegraph the axe kick after you have used it several times they will be expecting it then only do it partially and go right into straight punches.
Also this is what I would do, Id use it along side push kicks, because they wont know which one is comming, one minute axe kick the next minute a rear push kick to their liver or solar plexus.
To the leg try it from the outside, how are they gonna defend against an axe kick to the leg? If they try to check it instinctively like they do a round kick or how they leg parry a push kick/teep it will just be easier to land. If they back up you can now round kick them. Dont go all the way up though and anticipate a round kick counter, so get a good angle and make it fast and mix it up so they dont know whats comming next.
Good luck have fun!
[QUOTE=OMGWTF;2769625]Im trying to throw a punch with the same power mechanics as a boxer.
The problem is I cant rotate my hips. It just dosnt seem possible.
I was told to pretend to put a cigerette out with my foot in order to get my hips to move. Sometimes this works and I punch with alot of power. The problem is it only works once out of 100 attempts. So it seems hopeless.
I would be hugely grateful if you could tell me how to get my hips working correctly![/QUOTE]
Get on the heavy bag and work your hip action. Make sure that your foot swiveling is actually causing your knee and hip to turn in the same direction. Do it over and over and over again. Note that hip rotation is one of the power generation systems for a boxer, but not the only one.
This has helped alot you are a really good teacher thankyou Sir!
What are the other power generation systems for a boxer???
Kind regards!
[QUOTE=OMGWTF;2769630]What are the other power generation systems for a boxer?[/QUOTE]
Read this:
http://www.amazon.com/Championship-Fighting-Explosive-Punching-Aggressive/dp/B004LECAC2/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1365032642&sr=8-8&keywords=Jack+Dempsey
Championship fighting, by Jack Dempsey, describes things like the shoulder whirl and drop step. To simplify, besides turning the hips a person can also generates power by stepping in or changing height (on uppercuts, for example).
Wow you know your power generation, I have read his book or at least bits and pieces of it, and I can apply the drop step in to the jab.
You say uppercuts for example but does the dropping rob the upwards force of the upper cut? Or is an upper cut mostly fowards motion and not so much upwards motion?
Im intregued why you chose uppercuts as the example!?
Thankyou Sir im lucky I got you as my first answerer!
If anyone has any further tips on getting the hips to rotate please let me know. Its so difficult I will get good advice it will work for a while then suddenly it will stop working and my hips with stay static and I will turn from the obliques/waist instead. My damn hips are rubbish!
My Hips wont move!? Help!
Im trying to throw a punch with the same power mechanics as a boxer.
The problem is I cant rotate my hips. It just dosnt seem possible.
I was told to pretend to put a cigerette out with my foot in order to get my hips to move. Sometimes this works and I punch with alot of power. The problem is it only works once out of 100 attempts. So it seems hopeless.
I would be hugely grateful if you could tell me how to get my hips working correctly!
(I ask this is advanced because I want to whip my torso which is something not many pro boxers can do, so its alot harder than turing your whole body all in one go)
[QUOTE=OMGWTF;2769625]Im trying to throw a punch with the same power mechanics as a boxer.
The problem is I cant rotate my hips. It just dosnt seem possible.
I was told to pretend to put a cigerette out with my foot in order to get my hips to move. Sometimes this works and I punch with alot of power. The problem is it only works once out of 100 attempts. So it seems hopeless.
I would be hugely grateful if you could tell me how to get my hips working correctly![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=OMGWTF;2769654]Im trying to throw a punch with the same power mechanics as a boxer.
The problem is I cant rotate my hips. It just dosnt seem possible.
I was told to pretend to put a cigerette out with my foot in order to get my hips to move. Sometimes this works and I punch with alot of power. The problem is it only works once out of 100 attempts. So it seems hopeless.
I would be hugely grateful if you could tell me how to get my hips working correctly!
(I ask this is advanced because I want to whip my torso which is something not many pro boxers can do, so its alot harder than turing your whole body all in one go)[/QUOTE]
Cross posting the same thread in more than one forum is against the rules here.
Please do not do that again.
[QUOTE=Permalost;2769634]Read this:
http://www.amazon.com/Championship-Fighting-Explosive-Punching-Aggressive/dp/B004LECAC2/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1365032642&sr=8-8&keywords=Jack+Dempsey
Championship fighting, by Jack Dempsey, describes things like the shoulder whirl and drop step. To simplify, besides turning the hips a person can also generates power by stepping in or changing height (on uppercuts, for example).[/QUOTE]
You can find this in free PDF form pretty easy with a little google-fu.
[QUOTE=OMGWTF;2769639]You say uppercuts for example but does the dropping rob the upwards force of the upper cut? Or is an upper cut mostly fowards motion and not so much upwards motion?
Im intregued why you chose uppercuts as the example!?[/QUOTE]
You don’t always use all the mechanics at the same time. The drop step is not something I do with uppercuts. Stepping forward gives extra power to straight punches, using the whole moving body to add power. Changing level is the one I was mentioning for uppercuts. My preferred training device these days for uppercuts is my double end bag, because I can work on slipping under it when it shoots back towards me, which coils me up to deliver the uppercut (slip to the left sets up left uppercut/shovel hook, slip to the right sets up right uppercut but I don’t use this one as often). Its a light bag so there’s not much resistance, but in my experience, hitting someone with an uppercut to the chin is all about good timing and accuracy, not giving it your best Adam West/John Wayne power punch. A fairly light uppercut can still be pretty jarring.
For power uppercuts, there are several other tools out there. The vase shaped and wrecking ball style heavy bags, the uppercut box you attach to a wall, and the uppercut bag that’s like a horizontally hung heavy bag. All of these are good for developing the use of the legs, hips and torso for driving an uppercut with power and form. I prefer this shape because you can also use it for more conventional stuff:
learn to direct your weight and muscles behind whatever punch you do; jab and cross hit straight so step in as you strike (turn too, of course). Uppercuts hit upward so your body should move that way, and to do this you’ll have to lower yourself first (conveniently, you lower when you slip, so they work together). If you’re hitting down, your bodyweight should be dropping into it (which is mostly not relevant for boxing but definitely comes into play in MMA).
Slipping underneath a wide punch also gives you the opportunity to sidestep to whatever side you’re moving to. A sidestep also gives you another opportunity to hit harder. The first half of your step opens your stance for a harder punch. Imagine you and your opponent have orthodox stances. As a wide right comes at you, you sink underneath and to the left, and step your left foot to the left, and throw a right bodyshot as their hand passes over. Or, as a left hook comes at your head, you sink under it and throw your own left hook to the body. If you watch a decent amount of boxing, you’ll probably see some really solid bodyshots like this.
When you do this ^ you open up your hips in a way that you normally don’t if you’re keeping a mobile, defensive stance, just like you don’t throw windup haymakers at the beginning of a match. But its another power punching thing that’s good to incorporate. Study how evasive movements can coil you up for a counter. This is how you’re really gonna get your hips into punches that aren’t just side to side turning.
Thankyou Sir im lucky I got you as my first answerer!
I’ve done a good deal of sparring and a little competition, but mostly I’m just a guy that’s been beating on heavy bags since highschool. I can beat the hell out of one, but obviously that’s a world apart from a real opponent. Other people here are far more qualified to talk about preparing for a real opponent in front of you in the ring. Omega, Sang, Alex, Whiteshark, Asia and others have far more real experience than me.
[QUOTE=jnp;2769656]Cross posting the same thread in more than one forum is against the rules here.
Please do not do that again.[/QUOTE]
Sorry I wont do that again!
Can you help answer my question do you have any advice regarding moving the hips?
Also how long do I have to wait before I can repost this question so I dont break the rules? Say I dont get any more answers to it and im still stuck on the same lack of hip movement!?
How long do I have to wait before I repost. Because this is the only question I want to know about this is so pivitol and I am so stuck.
Cheers!
Got it cheers mate this has helped me apply the right power generation methods to the right tool. Its very much apreciated!!
[QUOTE=Permalost;2769682]You don’t always use all the mechanics at the same time. The drop step is not something I do with uppercuts. Stepping forward gives extra power to straight punches, using the whole moving body to add power. Changing level is the one I was mentioning for uppercuts. My preferred training device these days for uppercuts is my double end bag, because I can work on slipping under it when it shoots back towards me, which coils me up to deliver the uppercut (slip to the left sets up left uppercut/shovel hook, slip to the right sets up right uppercut but I don’t use this one as often). Its a light bag so there’s not much resistance, but in my experience, hitting someone with an uppercut to the chin is all about good timing and accuracy, not giving it your best Adam West/John Wayne power punch. A fairly light uppercut can still be pretty jarring.
For power uppercuts, there are several other tools out there. The vase shaped and wrecking ball style heavy bags, the uppercut box you attach to a wall, and the uppercut bag that’s like a horizontally hung heavy bag. All of these are good for developing the use of the legs, hips and torso for driving an uppercut with power and form. I prefer this shape because you can also use it for more conventional stuff:
learn to direct your weight and muscles behind whatever punch you do; jab and cross hit straight so step in as you strike (turn too, of course). Uppercuts hit upward so your body should move that way, and to do this you’ll have to lower yourself first (conveniently, you lower when you slip, so they work together). If you’re hitting down, your bodyweight should be dropping into it (which is mostly not relevant for boxing but definitely comes into play in MMA).
Slipping underneath a wide punch also gives you the opportunity to sidestep to whatever side you’re moving to. A sidestep also gives you another opportunity to hit harder. The first half of your step opens your stance for a harder punch. Imagine you and your opponent have orthodox stances. As a wide right comes at you, you sink underneath and to the left, and step your left foot to the left, and throw a right bodyshot as their hand passes over. Or, as a left hook comes at your head, you sink under it and throw your own left hook to the body. If you watch a decent amount of boxing, you’ll probably see some really solid bodyshots like this.
When you do this ^ you open up your hips in a way that you normally don’t if you’re keeping a mobile, defensive stance, just like you don’t throw windup haymakers at the beginning of a match. But its another power punching thing that’s good to incorporate. Study how evasive movements can coil you up for a counter. This is how you’re really gonna get your hips into punches that aren’t just side to side turning.
I’ve done a good deal of sparring and a little competition, but mostly I’m just a guy that’s been beating on heavy bags since highschool. I can beat the hell out of one, but obviously that’s a world apart from a real opponent. Other people here are far more qualified to talk about preparing for a real opponent in front of you in the ring. Omega, Sang, Alex, Whiteshark, Asia and others have far more real experience than me.[/QUOTE]
Got it cheers mate this has helped me apply the right power generation methods to the right tool. Its very much apreciated!!
[QUOTE=Permalost;2769684]By moving slightly in any direction? Or am I imagining this incorrectly?[/QUOTE]
I meant how are they gonna block it poor choice of words on my part. They only know muay thai and they dont get taught how to block axe kicks because its not in their style. Especially axe kicks to the leg.
Also most Muay thai guys ive sparred with dont move much like a boxer does, they just plod foward or stay in place and trade.
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No its not, and you can throw the most powerful version of teh round house from this stance, ie the one that has the most hip motion in it.
Its harder to learn though.
Its also the slowest. (it reaches the highest speeds but takes the longest time/distance to get there)
Same goes for the rear cross, the most powerful but slowest version will be from a near side on stance.
I can throw both the rear cross punch and rear round kick with my back to the opponent. (Balrog style see street fighter 2)
The muay thai round kick has no place in real street fighting, its of practically no use at all. So what you are learning is not JKD its total rubbish. Not trying to insult you just letting you know you are being ripped off as is the bruce lee name.
Why kick to the thigh when you can kick to the groin? A straight kick with the lead leg is far less powerful than a thai round kick and near useless in the ring for most people, but far more useful and effective than the round kick on the street.
Bruce Lee did studies into Muay Thai and didnt take much from it, when he died there was a movement from JKD follwers from JKD to muay thai and they tried to take what they could from muay thai and add it to their JKD.
The reason this happend was because Muay thai was dominating other styles in the ring.
But people didnt take into account that its a very different way of fighting when there are no rules and whay may be best in a ring is not nessasarily the best in the street. Muay thai round kicks are a classic example of a near useless kick for the street.
[QUOTE=OMGWTF;2769690] how long do I have to wait before I can repost this question so I dont break the rules? Say I dont get any more answers to it and im still stuck on the same lack of hip movement!?
How long do I have to wait before I repost. Because this is the only question I want to know about this is so pivitol and I am so stuck.
Cheers![/QUOTE]
This is generally discouraged, and if you do this you’ll probably get people telling you to search and giving you links to this thread and others. Basically, those of us who post here aren’t exactly more likely to answer a question that’s been asked over and over again; I’m guessing you’d get less feedback, not more.
Another angle: if you train regularly, after a good amount of time has passed and everyone’s forgotten about this thread, you shouldn’t need to ask again. If you follow the advice, your hips should be a swivelin’. Its like if you asked how to lift a heavy weight over your head- you could take the info you got and put it to work, or you could ponder about all the ways a person could explain “lift it over your head”.
If you ask again in a few months, you should have gained sufficient experience that the question itself should have evolved into a new problem. If its along the same lines, just necro this same thread to add something meaningful.
[QUOTE=OMGWTF;2769726]The muay thai round kick has no place in real street fighting, its of practically no use at all. So what you are learning is not JKD its total rubbish. Not trying to insult you just letting you know you are being ripped off as is the bruce lee name.
Why kick to the thigh when you can kick to the groin? A straight kick with the lead leg is far less powerful than a thai round kick and near useless in the ring for most people, but far more useful and effective than the round kick on the street.
Bruce Lee did studies into Muay Thai and didnt take much from it, when he died there was a movement from JKD follwers from JKD to muay thai and they tried to take what they could from muay thai and add it to their JKD.
The reason this happend was because Muay thai was dominating other styles in the ring.
But people didnt take into account that its a very different way of fighting when there are no rules and whay may be best in a ring is not nessasarily the best in the street. Muay thai round kicks are a classic example of a near useless kick for the street.[/QUOTE]
You’re an idiot.
Power Generation methods?
How do you generate max power out of your strikes? (punches, kicks, knees, elbows any form of striking you like)
You can name methods specific to a technique, for example if you whip your torso/midsection for a boxing punch you get alot more power and speed than just turning the whole body as one unit.
Or it can be a general method for increasing the power and speed out of any strike e.g. the importance of staying relaxed, and breathing out when you strike.
There are many methods can you name as many as you know!?