Is it Jiujitsu-Judo-BJJ?
And if that is true, can one also say that Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is just another style of Jiujitsu like Kito-ryu or Judo (or an offshoot at least)?
[QUOTE=Anarchy rising;2665335]Is it Jiujitsu-Judo-BJJ?
And if that is true, can one also say that Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is just another style of Jiujitsu like Kito-ryu or Judo (or an offshoot at least)?[/QUOTE]
Jujutsu-Judo-Basically Just Judo.
BJJ evolved from the Ne Waza part of Judo (or better saying, from Kano Jiu Jitsu as that was how it was known at the time in Brazil).
Some styles of Japanese Jiu Jitsu -> Kano Jiu Jitsu (later known as Judo) -> Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
BJJ came from Judo which came from the combination (with some modifications and some things discarded) of some Japanese Jiu Jitsu styles so they have the same lineage.
The only thing no BJJ practicioner will accept is BJJ being called “Judo Ne Waza” or “Judo under a Brazilian perspective” because that:
- Implies that Judo is BJJ+throws when in fact the ground work in BJJ is way more developed than in Judo as of today even if you compare to a Judo guy training only in ground fighting.
- Takes out the influences that other Japanese Jiu Jitsu styles and Russian Sambo had in BJJ along with the influences that BJJ got from trial and error at fights with other martial arts styles (vale tudo, style vs style era).
- Compares BJJ to Judo in the present time, whose olympic rules and focus on being better as a sport instead of as a martial art is regarded by most of us as something way inferior to the Judo that Maeda taught and the Judo that Kimura fought Helio Gracie with.
It’s just judo groundwork. I mean come on of course judoka know the berimbolo and the n/s choke.
This thread might shed some light.
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=80372&page=1
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Hi
I have been training in BJJ for about 6 months and am moving to Japan. How easy or hard would it be for me to pick Judo up in Japan?
[QUOTE=Anarchy rising;2667673]Hi
I have been training in BJJ for about 6 months and am moving to Japan. How easy or hard would it be for me to pick Judo up in Japan?[/QUOTE]
You can throw a rock and hit a judo dojo in Japan. Though such actions are ill advised.
[QUOTE=Anarchy rising;2667673]
I have been training in BJJ for about 6 months and am moving to Japan. How easy or hard would it be for me to pick Judo up in Japan?[/QUOTE]You can keep training BJJ in Japan as well, if you want to. It’s fairly popular over there.
[QUOTE=Anarchy rising;2667673]Hi
I have been training in BJJ for about 6 months and am moving to Japan. How easy or hard would it be for me to pick Judo up in Japan?[/QUOTE]
As has been said Judo is dime a dozen in Japan. However, it is my understanding that most small/local dojo aka machi dojo prefer some kind of reference or letter of recommendation.
Going to big tourist friendly dojo like the Kodokan won’t have any problems.
Also BJJ is growing in popularity one of my Judo friends trained at the Kodokan and at a BJJ club whilst holidaying in Japan without any problems.
[QUOTE=Anarchy rising;2665335]Is it Jiujitsu-Judo-BJJ?
And if that is true, can one also say that Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is just another style of Jiujitsu like Kito-ryu or Judo (or an offshoot at least)?[/QUOTE]
yes, brazilian jiu jitsu is an offshoot of judo and judo was made of a combination of various styles of jiujitsu jigoro kano studied. so the lineage is jiu jitsu, judo, bjj
“BJJ = Basically Just Judo.”
-Gezere
One-half of Judo technically.
So BJJ is basically just Judo ground techniques?
[QUOTE=David Koresh Jr.;2665589]It’s just judo groundwork. I mean come on of course judoka know the berimbolo and the n/s choke.[/QUOTE]
They also do a lot of deep half guard, and boy you don’t wanna get in a humdinger with those judoka shaolin and brabo choke specialists!
[QUOTE=Anarchy rising;2668455]So BJJ is basically just Judo ground techniques?[/QUOTE]
Well duh. I mean it’s just cause they are scared of being thrown right?
That or Helio added leverage points to make it more effective.
Whichever one you believe.
Non-troll answer: No, its much more complicated than just judo ground work. The passing, sweeping, submission transitions and setups, the leglock entries and uses. Since Bjjers focus more on the groundwork aspect their positioning, sensitivity, and timing is better. Because of the rules it’s a different mentality, more time on the ground = better understanding of it.
[QUOTE=Hedgehogey;2668462]They also do a lot of deep half guard, and boy you don’t wanna get in a humdinger with those judoka shaolin and brabo choke specialists![/QUOTE]
Be really careful they don’t guillotine you, (come one seriously when have you ever seen them guillotine someone?) also need to watch their toe holds.
Excuse me while I go work on my ippon seonage counter into kata garuma…waza…tai chi…Japanese word…
[QUOTE=Anarchy rising;2668455]So BJJ is basically just Judo ground techniques?[/QUOTE]
More emphasis + more importance in competition + more time in training + (in the case of BJJ) less restrictive rules = more refinement and development.
On average, BJJ players have more sophisticated ground games than judoka for much the same reason that judoka tend to be better at throws: More time, thought, and analysis are dedicated to it, and it’s more important in competition. Judo players can win by throwing for ippon; BJJ players cannot. BJJ players can take several minutes to set something up on the ground if need be; judo players cannot.
I’d say that the core of BJJ and judo newaza consists of basically the same techniques, though: Guard, mount, side mount, various chokes and armbars, and so on; unsurprising given their origins.
[QUOTE=jnp;2668366]“BJJ = Basically Just Judo.”
-Gezere
One-half of Judo technically.[/QUOTE]
One third technically. You forgot the judo kata.