Did you miss the part where he exclaimed his patriotic love of catch wrestling?
Most. You may have noticed that I have low standards for people who post here.
According to Wikipedia [URL=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch_wrestling”]Catch wrestling
is what I said it was.
Certainly, central to the stupid things I used to believe about martial arts is that only oriental arts had the ‘special ingredients’ that could make you a superman whereas, occidental arts, boxing, wrestling & such like were totally lame and unworthy of consideration.
I never guessed whilst poncing around doing katas twenty five years ago that my home county had catch-as-catch-can wrestling coaches that the Japanese were begging to come to Japan and could have kicked the karateka’s asses as easily as Royce Gracie beat Minoki Ichihara
Kazushi Sakuraba the ‘Gracie Hunter’ was trained by these emigrees from Lancashire and defeated the Gracies with catch wrestling. Yes, this is a source of ironic patriotic & regional pride for me.
No apologies. I’m only sorry that I thought fighting needed white pyjamas.
Catch certainly does kick the shit out of a lot of other martial arts, and it has been argued with good amount of evidence that catch was the base of a lot of early japanese MMA fighters like Sakuraba, but I think we can all agree it pails in comparison with the grappling juggernaught that is BJJ.
I’m not the instructor, I’m just the end user. All I know is that the Submission Wrestling I practice is an amalgam of various grappling arts & is quite a lot different from gi BJJ. My instructor always say do Jiu Jitsu against the Wrestlers & Wrestling against Jiu Jitsu fighters. There’s certainly Sambo in our mix, and my instructors learned their skills firstly in Japan.
I think most people realize that all but the earliest UFCs have NOT been the domain of BJJ fighters, but of Wrestlers. Amaury Bitetti, the first Absolute Black belt BJJ World Champion, 1996 & 1997 was slaughtered by Don Frye, (cross trainer: Wrestling/Boxing/Judo) in UFC 9; this onesided bloody massacre was very difficult to watch and was the passing of the torch from BJJ to Mixed Martial Arts crosstrainers. And boy, did Matt Hughes demolish Roycie.
Goddammit, you’re making me look bad here. Could’ve quit while you were ahead, but nooooo…
Explain. I’m new here. Is Razamataz really pure troll or is this Royce Gracie is still god.com
Nothing is ever pure troll.
I think Raz is caricaturing…himself? with his BJJ nuthugging.
So I’ll reiterate ‘Stupid things that I used to believe about martial arts’:
I used to believe my sport BJJ alone was good for the street. I thought jumping to guard and pulling a guillotine or kimura was a good idea if I got into a streetfight.
Bear in mind when I signed up for BJJ in 2000 I was expecting to be taught exactly what Royce was doing in those first UFCs. I wasn’t, I’d joined a Gracie Barra school interested only in competitions. Never mind, I just got on with it…
It became clear to me that if I got into a real fight I’d do what I quote above. I now believe this to be stupid and also that grappling itself when practicised without striking becomes distorted and artificial. Surely, this is common knowledge.
I’m wrong am I? This must be why Randy Couture states that he had NEVER even been on his back prior to facing Kevin Randleman in UFC28 despite his previous UFC victories. Yet I was on my back, by choice, in every BJJ sparring session I ever did, yet to this day remain clueless as to how vulnerable I am to strikes in this position!!!
I’m wrong am I? So what about inaugaral Absolute BJJ Black belt World Champion Amaury Bitetti getting absolutely pulped by journeyman Don Frye in UFC 9 despite being in the ‘safety of guard.’ Gruesome to watch and true 18 certificate stuff.
YouTube - Frye vs Bitteti - Ultimate Punishment
Furthermore, Randy Couture states in ‘Wrestling for Fighting’, p.199 ‘When an opponent keeps his legs locked around me in the closed guard position, he’s basically bought himself a beating.’
:psyduck:
So you guys are happy with my stupid martial arts beliefs of yonderyear but calling out pulling guard as a sport Jiu Jitsu player in a street fight is trespassing on holy ground for half of you.:qshatter:
Pointing out that gi BJJ (taught in a non-striking enviroment) might not hack it in both a MMA bout or a streetfight is treading on toes? trolling?
Bullshido.com = Kimono wearing Competition BJJ fansite? I am struggling keeping up with the cliques and the stateside humor guys.
You should start a thread (with the above as the title) and challenge the people here on their beliefs…that is, if you got the balls.
This thread used to be so awesome. I need to keep my filthy trap shut in the future.
So the wellspring of bjj is actually wing chun.
The general context, no doubt, being people “fighting” by trying to stick to each other as much as possible.
Damn, tharuz, I didn’t know you had it in you…
So you guys are happy with my stupid martial arts beliefs of yonderyear but calling out pulling guard as a sport Jiu Jitsu player in a street fight is trespassing on holy ground for half of you.
Pointing out that gi BJJ (taught in a non-striking enviroment) might not hack it in both a MMA bout or a streetfight is treading on toes? trolling?
Bullshido.com = Kimono wearing Competition BJJ fansite? I am struggling keeping up with the cliques and the stateside humor guys.
Nope, it is your idiotic strawman, you built, that is being made fun of right now.
Sambo12=Yellow brick Road traveler.
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Stupid things you used to believe about martial arts - No BS Martial Arts
Moved from here.
Two of my last three streetfights* were won with sport BJJ guard techniques. One of them even made me a wanted man for six months after I used an armbar off his rape choke to break his elbow.
*the last one evolved into a dance off