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Why do you say that Lesnar is a world class combat sports athlete? Even though I believe that he has the potential to become world class in a combat sport, I don’t think that his wrestling credential gives that status. For all we know, he has a glass jaw.
I say that because Wrestling (be it greco or freestyle) is a combat sports, just like Judo, SAMBO or BJJ.
I just differentiate between a combat sport as one where there is striking involved. Like the difference between SAMBO and combat SAMBO which incorporates striking.
You better check twice on that one before looking like a foolzoolio. Frank had Brock’s heel in the crook of his elbow pulling straight back without twisting in any way. It is even listed as a knee bar on the fight finder.
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That definition is arbitrary, though I know what you are trying to explain. Couture in his book “Wrestling for Fighting”, for example, he differentiates between wrestling and fighting (meaning MMA.) But striking (or lack thereof) is not the primary or defining criteria of combat sports.
This is the definition I use for combat sports (courtesy from wiki), which seems to be the universally accepted one:
[INDENT][i]A combat sport (also known as a combative sport) is a competitive contact sport where two combatants fight against each other using certain rules of engagement, typically with the aim of simulating parts of real hand to hand combat. Boxing, amateur wrestling, puroresu, mixed martial arts and fencing are examples of combat sports.
The techniques used can be categorized into three domains: striking, grappling, and weapon usage. Some rule-sets specialize in one area, while others allow overlap.[/i][/INDENT]
An example where such a definition is used for something clearly not involving striking is the following:
Gold Medal Mental Workout for Combat Sports: A Step-by-Step Program of Mental Exercises to Make you a Winner Every Time (book, 4 cds, and trainer log)
or Page’s “Martial Arts, Boxing, and Other Combat Sports (The Olympic Sports) (Paperback)”
Also from Combat Sports in the Ancient World: Competition, Violence, and Culture (Sports and History Series) by Poliakoff
Boxing, wrestling, and pankration, a sport that allowed a variety of unarmed fighting tactics, were the three important forms of combat sport in the ancient world. Although a minor sport elsewhere in antiquity, stick fighting became a formal competition in Egypt, and it properly falls within the scope of this book. The element of fighting makes combat sports easy to mark off as a group; more difficult is settling on a definition of sport in general. I define sport and athletics in this book as activity in which a person physically competes against another in a contest with established regulations and procedures, with the immediate object of succeeding in that contest under criteria for determining victory that are different from those that mark success in everyday life (warfare, of course ,being included as part of everyday life in antiquity). In other words, sport, as opposed to play or recreation, cannot exist without an opponent and a system for measuring the success or failure of the competitors’ performances. Jogging alone or in a grup is recreation (or training) until someone starts to compare performances, at which point, it becomes an athletic contest - a sport. Whether or not the competitor receives money or some other prize is irrelevant, for both professional and amateur have the immediate goal of winning the contest, and what happens afterward does not change the nature of that contest .
don’t dismiss the wrestling skills of coleman so easily. he may be old and broken, but his background is nothing to sneeze at.
I agree. Wich is why I cant wait to see somone take him into the third round.
The OP’s an asshole.
Now that I’ve got that out of the way, I’ve got something on my mind that I think needs to be asked: If Lesnar were to lose to Coleman, how would that affect them? In my opinion, it looks like they’re just feeding Coleman to Lesnar to pump his status up (“OMG, look Lesnaar beat hall-of-famer, lololol, cock-in-your-mouth”). How badly would it hurt Lesnar, and where would Coleman go from there after he beat him?
If it does happen, I’d guess that the UFC people would just chalk Lesnar’s lose up to Coleman being a hall-of-famer. Then they would put Lesnar in another main event against some bum.
As for Coleman, I think he has a chance. Lesnar essentially seems to be a younger and stronger version of him, but Coleman’s experience could come into play in all this. Dan Severn, in recent years, has fought and beat guys who have, in recent years, fought in the UFC. Never underestimate a crafty old man.
Fuck, my 145 pound self could take him in the 3rd round.
Unless he has amazing cardio, he’s dead even in the second.
But still, look at the guy, he hits like a ton of fucking bricks, and grappling him would probably be like trying to grapple a gorilla…
Apparently he has -5 to leg locks, though.
Severn is better than Coleman at being old.
Yes. It’s because he has a natural body:
No matter what happens with Lesnar, MMA fans will think one thing… WWE fans will think the other.
My money is on Coleman.
A pretty retarded statement. Unless you can prove that all the oddmakers on the main gambling sites are WWE fans.
I wouldn’t bet against Brock’s cardio. Wrestlers, no matter how big, generally have ungodly cardio, and WWE style pro wrestling, for all of it’s faults, does require a high degree of athleticism and the ability to throw another grown man about for upwards of half an hour. I don’t expect to see Lesnar’s cardio taxed in a 3 rounder.
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Wait a sec, Brock is in the UFC?
thing is, look at his gameplan for his two fights so far. it was pretty much “i’m going to try and reenact penn vs uno 1, but at heavyweight.” i can think of maybe half a dozen fighters who can keep that pace for three rounds, and none of them outweigh brock’s torso.
i mean, maybe you’re right. maybe he’s gsp +100lbs. but i’m not sold yet.
Naw, he got cut last week.
Wait a sec, Brock is in the UFC?
No, it’s just an in-joke. Haha, clueless noobie.