[quote=tao.jonez;2302930]I don’t mean pop him in the face once. Isn’t the premise here to attack until the fight ends?
I’m saying attack relentlessly as opposed to trying to make it into a boxing match.[/quote]
Yeah, and I’m thinking if you just relentlessly attack a drunk dude in the mood to bang, he’ll likely relentlessly attack you right back. You might win, but it would be a lot smarter to move and counter.
[quote=MSphinx;2302933]As much as it pains me to post this .gif, it’s a perfect example of what an all out attack without thought for defense could bring. One could say that Wanderlei did well with his style before this, but a big part of The Axe Murderer’s success was due to reputation. The average martial artist simply cannot instill fear the same way PRIDE era Wand did.
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I heard that wan was sick during this fight. ANYWAY!
This is one of the stupid things people that has never been in a fight says. Go do Muay thai or something
[quote=marcusdbrutus;2302959]Yeah, and I’m thinking if you just relentlessly attack a drunk dude in the mood to bang, he’ll likely relentlessly attack you right back. You might win, but it would be a lot smarter to move and counter.
So no, this strategy is shit. Stop it.
(Unless you’re Wanderlei Silva in the 90’s.)[/quote]
OK you are probably right. I’m just trying to think of a time when it might be effective (or the least ineffective). Getting bullied around by a drunk guy seems a reasonable time to do so if there is one.
I was thinking of the drunk guy being the stereotypical obnoxious untrained clown, not a guy accustomed to covering and countering. I’ve never seen a bar fight that looked anything like Wand/Rampage.
Assuming that the loudmouth with beer breath can’t fight is a bad idea though. I concede.
The fun thing about fighting outside gym is that you never know what the other guys have trained. Going for strategies (and techniques) that only work on the drunken louts with no experience, heart or reflexes just might not be the best idea.
There’s guys I know with zero formal training who’ve been in enough fights to have the sense to cover up and counter-attack. It might not be a very sophisticated counter-attack, but if you’re throwing punches willy nilly, with no regard for your own safety, you can be damn sure they’ll knock you out and then insult your mother.
Okai, so basically relentlessly attacking someone = bad idea no matter the circumstance. I agree that in a ring it would be a bad idea, but outside of a ring I don’t necessarily agree, I think if you have trained to attack for very long time (spending very limited time on defense) - your attacks should be very heavy and quick, much heavier and quicker than anyone your size should be, this gives you a great psychological advantage. If you start throwing these powerful blows and even if the opponent successfully blocks it, he would be suprised at how hard you can actually hit. This would in turn make him think twice about opening up to hit back - unless of course this person is very well trained in counter punching.
I guess it depends on how good you attacking skills is against your opponent’s defensive and countering skills (slipping, dodging, evading, bobbing and weaving).
Never forget the influence of sheer damn luck. If you go on attack only, you’re basically taking a big risk for a big pay-off. No matter how good you are there’s just so many factors that can cause things to go wrong for you, and if they do, you’re going to lose big.
CrackFox, that is true. I guess I just think by constantly attacking with powerful strikes, it would force my opponent to think twice about not blocking - you know what I mean? At the same time, Im not talking about wild crazy swinging punches but powerful flowing combinations, if your punch lands before his then you’ve lessen his venom in his punch and/or knocked him out. Thats what I’m thinking…
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I guess it depends on how good you attacking skills is against your opponent’s defensive and countering skills (slipping, dodging, evading, bobbing and weaving).[/quote]
Even so that in itself is somewhat of a risk, you will never realy know until the flurries begin.
Generaly speaking most loudmouths dont posses alot of formal training, they do however lack any moral obligation to the goold ol’ Marquis of Queensbury.
[quote=tao.jonez;2303030]I was thinking of the drunk guy being the stereotypical obnoxious untrained clown, not a guy accustomed to covering and countering. I’ve never seen a bar fight that looked anything like Wand/Rampage.
Assuming that the loudmouth with beer breath can’t fight is a bad idea though. I concede.[/quote]
You missed my point. He doesn’t have to know anything about covering and countering, if you have zero defense all he has to do is swing in your general direction. And he might get lucky.
The mistake is assuming your awesomely amazing punches will just render him useless like in a kung fu movie. Actually, I just had an idea.
Defense is usually a very secondary concern, and look what happens; they just keep hitting each other until SOMEONE falls down. That is what your theoretical strategy would look like, minus the skates. Admittedly, it is awesome. But you could find a much more effective way to fight. Like this guy.
The problem here lies mostly in assuming that defending takes up a lot of time, and that one need to constantly block and/or cover up. Any decent fighter will use movement and slip punches while countering at the same time. Constanly moving forward and attacking will also land you in the clinch where your attacks will likely have less effect.
All out attacking is a strategy employed to follow up a successful attack and should probably not be maintained for more than a few seconds at most. If you have failed to put you opponent down by that time (despite your initial hit), you need to calm down a reassess your gameplan. Otherwise you risk just gassing.
Nifoc has the correct. You can attack and defend at the same time with head movement, footwork and proper hand positioning when throwing techniques. Attack and defense are not exclusive.
The Blitzkrieg strategy is rather successful in mma and low amateur striking events where the level of striking is low or when the user has unlimited cardio and an iron chin.