I can TRY to get some video Tuesday but that has proven harder than it seems.
Did you try hooking the shoulder with the instep of your foot and pointing that knee at the opposite hip?
Guys, I really apologize from everyone who commented. My feedback is so slow due to some personal issues and the fact that I run out of money on my vpn account (youtube is blocked here)
Also, bigato, wow! thank you so much for having the trouble, thinking about the move and even putting together a video! impressive! it is great to have this kind of feedback!
But it seems like, language is the main trouble in here. The video was first intended for the Turkish website, so I didn’t record it in english. Therefore it is very easy to miss the details.
bigato, i understand your points. you have some great points. But the problem is, what you are doing and what I am intending to do is totally different. Also, I’ve already talked about the problems you are mentioning but it’s in Turkish so you probably don’t really understand what I mean.
Just like zapruder said, it is more like a bow an arrow choke.
But anyways, I don’t want to write too much and make everything more confusing. I think it is my responsibility to do an English version of the video asap so you guys can give me more feedback about it and we can talk about the details further.
Thanks again guys!
P.S. also, I just caught a black belt with this recently 
he was being nice to me though.
Thanks Yunus, I’ll wait for your video. But let me suggest you put captions on it instead of making a new one! It’s quicker and easier.
[QUOTE=bigato;2736106]Thanks Yunus, I’ll wait for your video. But let me suggest you put captions on it instead of making a new one! It’s quicker and easier.[/QUOTE]
it sounds like a very short term solution and also I’d like to reach more people with some english details on it. I think for international people English video would be a lot more understandable and watchable.
I have to say, if I can get my hand that far in to get the collar grip then I much prefer the regular loop choke grip instead. It feels more secure for me.
[QUOTE=Kintanon;2736339]I have to say, if I can get my hand that far in to get the collar grip then I much prefer the regular loop choke grip instead. It feels more secure for me.[/QUOTE]
Well of course, everyone has their preferences
But in my experience, once you get the reverse grip and since you don’t do any other hand movements around the neck, the opponent feels very comfortable and feels like he can just get his head out of it, but then the reverse grip shows its use and opponent ends up giving you a submission or a good dominant position.
So when I get the grip it works for me. It may not work for you. Or some other people as well.
The important thing is there is this thing and I’m sharing it with you guys. You just see it and decide for yourselves : ))
Yeah, definitely not knocking it. I do like the sneaky nature of it, but most of the people I roll with are SO used to be hitting that loop choke that if my hand gets anywhere NEAR their collar they start defending, so they don’t have time to notice that I have the ‘wrong’ grip for my favorite choke.
For people who don’t have a reputation for using those collar chokes they might find it easier to sneak this one in.
I want to test out a counter I have in mind. It would be a sitout or wrist lock to counter the unnatural angle of the grip. It looks inherently weak due to the over rotation of your wrist.
[QUOTE=David Koresh Jr.;2736364]I want to test out a counter I have in mind. It would be a sitout or wrist lock to counter the unnatural angle of the grip. It looks inherently weak due to the over rotation of your wrist.[/QUOTE]
Not only it is a weak grip, but it needs a precise place of the collar where it will work. That makes it more difficult to apply. You grab a little deeper and it doesn’t work.
[QUOTE=Necroyunus;2736333]it sounds like a very short term solution and also I’d like to reach more people with some english details on it. I think for international people English video would be a lot more understandable and watchable.[/QUOTE]
Please put the captions in that one that you already made! That’s a quick solution and in the next video you talk in English.
[QUOTE=bigato;2736384]Please put the captions in that one that you already made! That’s a quick solution and in the next video you talk in English.[/QUOTE]
I think I’ll just do the English video : ))
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[QUOTE=bigato;2736383]Not only it is a weak grip, but it needs a precise place of the collar where it will work. That makes it more difficult to apply. You grab a little deeper and it doesn’t work.[/QUOTE]
Not true. Your comment sounds very dramatic to be honest : )) of course there is an overall area but it is not that precise.
Also, like i reminded you before what you do and what i say is totally different. I like how you are taken with all the concept, how you take it very serious and the effort you put to it but lets keep it a little bit more objective, ok?
Like I said if it doesn’t work out for you, just say i dont like it, pass it and dont do it, dont need to make it an obsession 
A lot of comments here actually were already answered in the turkish explanation. For example in the video and Turkish text I put, I very clearly explain this is not a perfect move where you can apply %100 of the time, but something you can go for when you can get the grip. That’s why I don’t like it when you try to compare it to other moves.
Oh, if you have some really helpful feedback, such as “hey how about doing this from here or how about changing this action with this” etc. That would be nice
But making this all a credibility issue and all sounds silly : ))
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asking for approval for a choke i came out with
[QUOTE=Kintanon;2736360]Yeah, definitely not knocking it. I do like the sneaky nature of it, but most of the people I roll with are SO used to be hitting that loop choke that if my hand gets anywhere NEAR their collar they start defending, so they don’t have time to notice that I have the ‘wrong’ grip for my favorite choke.
For people who don’t have a reputation for using those collar chokes they might find it easier to sneak this one in.[/QUOTE]
Whatever works for you bud.
For me, it is a move that I always keep in mind but not go %100 of the times. I check it first tho. If my hand somehow gets anywhere near where I want and I have the feedback I want from my opponent, it just works perfect afterwards.
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