As I read posts on this forum and other forums, I get a feeling that most people believe that outside MT and BJJ, there are no effective MA or fighting systems out there. I do not doubt the effectiveness of MT and BJJ. They are great, but besides that, no one seems to think other arts are effective. Sure MT and BJJ have dominated MA tournaments and that definitely proves their effectiveness, but these are still tournaments. There are still rules and fighters have to wear protection, They are areas where you cannot strike. The fighters usually face each other through rounds. Some MA i find are not really suitable to the ring or cage fighting because the way they are used are not suited for the ring. Some would argue that because they are not really usable in the ring, then that means they are ineffective and that the excuse is just a way to cover up their ineffectivness.
I don’t believe so. Some MA rely on different strategies and would sometimes rely heavily on techniques that are banned in tournaments. For example, I see wing chun usually focuses the attack on the neck and requires the fighter to be in a very close range. I just want people to comment on this and see if i present a valid point.
You covered every cliche in the book, kudos!
Only morons on Bullshido think there are no effective MAs outside of BJJ and MT. The general consensus is the individual practitioner and teacher are the two most important factors. Wing Chun focuses on the neck, what if the fighter keeps his chin down like any boxer would? How is getting in close a good thing against a grappler? Anyone can bite, eye gouge, or kick with force to the nuts. It is not like there are superior biting techniques.
The idea that BJJ and MT are the only good MAs is nonsense as is the idea that arts are too deadly for the ring.
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There is good technique and poor technique. There is live training and there is no training. Train good technique with aliveness and you are training properly. unfortunately nowadays it’s hard to distinguish grappling “styles” as everything is categorized as either BJJ, Wrestling, or no-gi Sub Grappling, but as far as striking goes MT is not alone. Kickboxing, Savate, hard sparring karate styles as well as utilizing different striking theories and attacks from different arts like dare I say WC and Ke?po are other such options.
Says the guy with two posts.
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I’ll give you that. There’s more MT/BJJ nuthuggery there than BS. BS has Boxing/SubGrappling, and Kyokushin/Judo nuthhuggery 
Join Date: Dec 2004
As sad as it sounds, yes.:hiding:
Edit: Having been unable to train due to finances and a needy gf, I didn’t feel right about posting on a ma forum. I just decided to say fuck it and go for it tonight.
I’m amazed no-ones mentioned the “search function” yet.:lurk:
Your opinion is very poorly informed. It actually sounds more like you never actually read any of the posts before and are going off of hearsay you heard from another person.
Not all martial arts are created equal, so when an art has a bad practice it’s usually brought up sooner or later.
Do you think Final Fu looks like real fighting?
General concensus says that any style can be made effective if there is a mechanism for determining bad techniques vs. good techniques. Most of us think that full-contact sparring and MMA tournaments against other styles help quickly change the type and style of techniques. Certain martial arts have almost always utilized this approach, and are thus elevated in the eyes of Bullshido lurkers. That I have seen:
Muay Thai
Boxing
Judo
Brazilian Jujitsu
Catch Wrestling/Shoot Fighting
Sambo
Savate
Sando/San Shou
Karate styles w/ full contact
Jeet Kune Do, (debatable, but most people here respect Inosanto’s style, although there are unscrupulous people in it as well)
Japanese Jujitsu
MMA Hybrid styles, (Miletech fighting, Shamrock Submission style, etc.)
Every city in the U.S. should have at least one of those types of martial arts around, so most Bullshido forumites see no reason not to train in one of those styles.
Good list but I’d disagree with putting Japanese Jujitsu there.
It should read Japanese Ju Jutsu w/ regular randori.
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This proves you haven’t read alot and thus came up with this therad as an ASSumption. :byewhore:
Striking to virtually every part of the body is allowed in MMA tournaments- the general “karate census” is that UFC is anti traditional martial arts. This was formulated to help protect their fragile little egos when they found out that they really arent as deadly as they once thought and were led to believe.
As far as tournaments are concerned, theres no way to organize a fight between people without it being labeled a tournament in some respect- thats all it really means is that the fights were arranged ahead of time (as opposed to mouthing off to your opponents girlfriend at a bar).
Most rules limiting striking areas were instilled ironically not because of deadly strikers, but rather because of skilled grapplers. Elbows to the back of the head and spine for instance- thats a rule that came about because skilled grapplers (often BJJ guys at the time) would take an opponents back and drop elbows in his neck- it wasnt because some karate guy used a deadly neck strike. The same goes for headbutts (Mark Coleman stopped alot of fights from there) and “stomping” a downed opponent (watch Severn vs Taktarov and Coleman vs Vovchanchyn).
This favors the striker who is allowed to restart on his feet regardless of what position he may have been caught in at the end of the round.
Its an excuse- bar none. Heres the catch- NO martial art was ever developed solely for ring fighting or mixed martial arts. BJJ wasnt made for the UFC, it was made for the streets in Brazil. Muay Thai was a combative art used for warfare and wrestling was heavily emphasized in Alexanders army back in Greece. This goes hand in hand with the TMA’s who claim that Kung Fu was made for war in China and that deadly ninja secrets are only for all out warfare in Japan.
You see, ALL these martial arts have roots back to the times of warfare. Now, once someone makes a tournament that brings together all these people of different styles, theres bound to be a winner and one style is bound to beat the other. When this happened, the people of karate and your regular kung fu didnt like the results and started making up excuses, such as the ones that you have.
Early martial arts events had very few rules, some with no rules at all. The traditional fighters had their chance and they lost. There were lots of MMA tournaments back then, and UFC helped bring it mainstream. If they werent convinced by the enormous amount of evidence thrown at them then, then 500 more no rules MMA contests arent going to convince them now. No matter what, they’ll find a way to find an excuse.
Once again, striking the neck is legal, problem is any striker worth his salt is going to tuck his chin, so you often hit that instead. The chin is just as valid a target as is the neck.
As was said, as long as the style concentrates on liveness and full contact, then its going to be respected, no matter what it calls itself.
That’s brilliant - as I changed to page 2, a Mod sent this to Trollshido!
Also, MT and BJJ are useless. The only effective martial art is JUDO!
THE most effective martial art.
Rubbish! Did Kimura ever lose to a nuclear bomb? NO! Therefore judo is invincible.
The answer to this thread is obviously yes.