OP - don’t listen to all these negative assholes. They’re infatuated with their UFC training. They’re completely ignorant about realistic training for life or death situations where there are no rules.
I don’t mean to boast but over time I’ve become the site’s unofficial Krav Maga ambassador. What would you like to know?
Thanks Devil…
I don’t want the thread to keep getting off topic, but I am looking for a good Krav Maga school in Dutchess Co., NY. I do like the style, and I think it is what my niece needs in terms of at least having more confidence in her ability to defend herself. Hopefully she would keep training after this initial into to MA.
As you are the ambassador, have you heard of APLEA before?
Thank you all for the input,
James
[QUOTE=Ayreforcepyper;2877810]I don’t want the thread to keep getting off topic, but I am looking for a good Krav Maga school in Dutchess Co., NY. I do like the style, and I think it is what my niece needs in terms of at least having more confidence in her ability to defend herself. Hopefully she would keep training after this initial into to MA.
As you are the ambassador, have you heard of APLEA before?
Thank you all for the input,
James[/QUOTE]
You’re welcome, brother. I’m here to help.
I think Krav Maga is a great choice for your niece. Krav instructors are specialists at building confidence in a safe way that doesn’t involve dangerous sparring and doesn’t waste time doing silly things like agonizing over the proper way to make a fist or focusing ad nauseum on things like punching technique and soforth. It’s very straight forward and as soon as you begin your training, the instructors will start teaching you how to maim or kill a violent attacker. It should be ideal for your niece.
I used to train at NAMBLA but unfortunately I haven’t heard of APLEA. However, I checked out some of their videos and the training looks awesome to me.
[QUOTE=BKR;2877836]New York Judo, Inc. list of clubs (Group B member of USA Judo, national governing body for Judo in the USA).
http://newyorkstatejudo.org/clubs/
US Judo Federation: Group A member of USA Judo
http://www.usjf.com/find-a-usjf-affiliated-dojo/listing-of-dojos-by-state/#NY
United States Judo Association: Group A Member of USA Judo
https://www.usja.net/clubs
That would get you started on Judo. Forget the KM. Judo, BJJ, are her best bets. The BJJ guys here can help you filter through the BJJ/MMA crossover stuff.
I don’t know her personality (your niece),however, if she is not into physical stuff at all, then anything is going to be a tough sell.
The only way to learn to deal with a guy grabbing you and trying to take you away or to the ground is to practice a lot with guys doing that very thing, hence the emphasis on grappling.
As she lives in a pretty much gun-free state where defending yourself is apparently frowned upon, that’s probably the best option along with situational awareness, and all the avoid bad situations advice given so far.[/QUOTE]
OP, this can all pretty much be ignored. BKR isn’t a reliable source of information. He’s got an online blue belt from Gracie University and he only started Judo because of Ronda Rousey. He’s the kind of guy who jumps from fad to fad without putting any thought into what it means to be a real martial artist, capable of fighting on the street.
[QUOTE=notfromvenus;2877837]I think that issue is a little more complex than that.
Plenty of people - even in law enforcement - do basically say “well, if she didn’t want to get raped she shouldn’t have been out drinking at that bar” and things like that, where they really do blame or dismiss the victim because she did something thoughtless that made her easy to victimize. And that’s awful and is part of “rape culture” because it basically excuses the perps and lets them get away with repeated crimes, while making victims feel like it was their fault they were attacked. And some people who present risk management strategies (“don’t drink excessively” etc) can do so in a way that’s either just insensitive/thoughtless or goes outright into “don’t be a slut” kind of territory.
So then, yeah, some feminists to react to that kind of rhetoric and attitude by entirely dismissing women’s self-defense classes across the board.
Which I think is foolhardy and an overreaction. I think the better response to is insist that women’s self-defense classes be sensitive in how they present risk management strategies, and make it very clear that rape is always 100% the perpetrator’s vault, even if the victim didn’t follow those strategies at all. Plus, that these classes aren’t the whole package. We should do a better job teaching kids about consent from a young age, and disabusing them of all those dumb ideas people have about “boys will be boys” and “it’s not really rape if…” or that it’s okay to basically trick women into sex. But that doesn’t mean that there’s no place for women’s self-defense classes. They should just be one piece of the puzzle, along with better sex ed classes, better policing, etc.[/QUOTE]
“Don’t be a slut” is actually great, practical advice. Also, “rape culture” is a mythical concept created by ugly, purple haired feminist that are angry because they can’t get dick from handsome men.
[QUOTE=Devil;2877843]OP, this can all pretty much be ignored. BKR isn’t a reliable source of information. He’s got an online blue belt from Gracie University and he only started Judo because of Ronda Rousey. He’s the kind of guy who jumps from fad to fad without putting any thought into what it means to be a real martial artist, capable of fighting on the street.[/QUOTE]
And I have not trained at NAMBLA, either…
[QUOTE=BKR;2877853]To be even more pessimistic, dealing with an angry, determined attacker is not easy for anybody given the size and strength difference that is likely to be present in a female vs. male scenario.
That’s one thing she would realize quickly when learning to grapple with other women and/or larger, stronger men who a.) are not angry b.) are not intoxicated c.) do not intend any harm to her (opposite in fact in training).
Even with all my judo training, dealing with larger, stronger guy in JUDO practice is tough even if they are complete noobs. I’m a small guy, 5’7" and 155 pounds or so.
Just imagine…[/QUOTE]
This only reveals your inexperience. Size doesn’t matter to real martial artists.
[QUOTE=Devil;2877844]“Don’t be a slut” is actually great, practical advice. Also, “rape culture” is a mythical concept created by ugly, purple haired feminist that are angry because they can’t get dick from handsome men.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Devil;2877844]“rape culture”[/QUOTE]
Is the term used to make sure the guy is always at fault
Yep drunk men can give consent but drunk women can’t
[QUOTE=BKR;2877864]Judo is an Olympic sport, so that makes perfect sense.
You are correct as always.[/QUOTE]
Judo isn’t a martial art. It’s a sport.
You think this is a game?
[QUOTE=Devil;2877869]Judo isn’t a martial art. It’s a sport.
You think this is a game?[/QUOTE]
You mean this thread ?
[QUOTE=goodlun;2877874]crap this thread is still in MABS, as such some clarifications need to be made.
Combat Sports are a great way to learn “self defense”.
The Term “Self Defense” itself is a bit ambiguous.
Rape and “Self Defense” don’t tend to match up. let me explain.
Men tend to think of rape in the violent physical back ally sort of thing.
Women tend to think of it as if they regret it the next day its rape.
Both of those statements are simply to show the broadness of the term.
On College campuses when we are talking about rape we are talking about consent issues far more than a girl being pinned down by some stranger in a back ally.[/QUOTE]
Apparently there is not such thing as a moderator here anymore, I was getting into a distinctly YMAS frame of mind.
[QUOTE=WFMurphyPhD;2877884]And, having sex with a compromised partner is pathetic and despicable.
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You go out. She gets drunk. You take her home. She says she wants to fuck…this is what we in the real world call a win. If she regrets it the next day, it’s her own fault for being an out of control whore. It’s not rape. It’s not even close to rape.
[QUOTE=Devil;2877886]You go out. She gets drunk. You take her home. She says she wants to fuck…this is what we in the real world call a win. If she regrets it the next day, it’s her own fault for being an out of control whore. It’s not rape. It’s not even close to rape.[/QUOTE]
Maybe it will help if you watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZwvrxVavnQ
[QUOTE=goodlun;2877881]I am going to go out on a limb and say that if your too drunk to give consent than you are probably to drunk to execute a triangle choke.
Same goes with any of the number of other coercive tactics being employed, to get a green light that is not really a green light.[/quote]
I was kinda referring to the “date rape” or bullied into sex situations more than the too drunk situation. Both are often consent issues where someone “misunderstood” the others wishes. Triangle Chokes work real nice in the backseats of cars.
Don’t ask me how I know that.
This is where these things get a bit complicated right?
You get into this system and girls feels pressured to preform by her peers, by the social norm, by the environment, has a drink or two in her but isn’t inebriated to a non-consent giving state.
Right her is a girl that ends up doing something she certainly regrets. It sucks for her, but I can’t call that rape but there are the purple haired people that Devil refereed to earlier that do.
This isn’t going to be helped by Krav Maga or even general awareness training.
People need to not be fucking sheep.
People need to own up to their own bad mistakes.
This is exactly why I keep my advice on the topic limited to the physical side of things. You can’t teach common sense and fuck a bunch of drama.
[QUOTE=Devil;2877886]You go out. She gets drunk. You take her home. She says she wants to fuck…this is what we in the real world call a win. If she regrets it the next day, it’s her own fault for being an out of control whore. It’s not rape. It’s not even close to rape.[/QUOTE]
You forgot that you also had a few drinks, your going to meet people at a place where the majority of people in said place is interested in hooking up.
This doesn’t give you a blank check but if you do meet someone and they are down then well they are down.
[QUOTE=BackFistMonkey;2877888]I was kinda referring to the “date rape” or bullied into sex situations more than the too drunk situation. [/QUOTE]
Even then its not a physical case normally, its brow beating and bulling but its typically not physical bulling.
Its typically someone being very persistent.
On the victim side they are to worried about not being a bitch to really do anything about it.
Basically what I am saying is even if she knows how to throw on a nice triangle shes not likely to do so.
Now I for one still think BJJ is a great thing for a young lady to learn, and it certainly helps in those sorts of situations.
Especially if they feel physically threatened.
[QUOTE=WFMurphyPhD;2877887]Maybe it will help if you watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZwvrxVavnQ[/QUOTE]
I watched your dumbass video.
That has nothing to do with what I said. I didn’t say to fuck an unconscious whore. I said it’s cool to bang a drunk whore. Drunk does not necessarily mean unconscious, yet there are many ugly butch feminists who want to pretend a drunk whore is unable to consent. Not true.
Let’s put it in the context of your stupid fucking video…If your friend is drunk and she asks for tea, you give her the tea. You don’t refuse to give her the tea because she’s drunk.
[QUOTE=Devil;2877886]You go out. She gets drunk. You take her home. She says she wants to fuck…this is what we in the real world call a win. If she regrets it the next day, it’s her own fault for being an out of control whore. It’s not rape. It’s not even close to rape.[/QUOTE]
If you press charges for rape while drinking you should automatically catch some charges for public disorderly or something. You are admitting you purposely endangered the people around you through neglect. Seriously … you shouldn’t be THAT fucked up in public or in private with another drunk stranger.
[QUOTE=goodlun;2877891]Even then its not a physical case normally, its brow beating and bulling but its typically not physical bulling.
Its typically someone being very persistent.
On the victim side they are to worried about not being a bitch to really do anything about it.
Basically what I am saying is even if she knows how to throw on a nice triangle shes not likely to do so.
Now I for one still think BJJ is a great thing for a young lady to learn, and it certainly helps in those sorts of situations.
Especially if they feel physically threatened.[/QUOTE]
I have a friend, a good friend, from when I was in grad school. The stories she told me about the Freshman women being targeted by the campus fraternities made my hair stand on end, and that was back when she was in college and I was in Grad school at the same university. They frat boys had it all worked out as part of the “Rush” scene. It involved lots of alcohol, social pressure, and inexperienced women away from home for the first time. They would have the rooms all prepped and ready to go upstairs at the frat house.
She got targeted several times, but never got caught, as she had enough willpower to say “no” and leave.
I imagine that sort of thing still goes on pretty commonly…