Yeah, see I’m asking for video of how you guys train.
Good song Blaze of Glory. I made my points before. I will just go and post on another thread
I don’t have a video of that. Check ataonline.com or karateamerica.info. You can see how they do it there
Debating ATA+ on a forum called Bullshido+ a ton of people who think the ATA is the lviing personifiction of Bullshido= trouble is where you find it.
khf,
You don’t have to leave just find a forum with people who like the ATA, uh good luck on that, and lurk here. No one says you have to post or read about what you don’t like.
I doubt i will find a place like that in the Bullshido community.
But there is an unoffical ATA forum to post on.
I have been there before
this comment saddens me to my very core.
please, tell us your opinion of “Unskinny Bop” while you are at it
I made my points before.
no, you were being a whiny bitch before and you still are.
I will just go and post on another thread
:ky: waaaaaaaaa:ky:
“I’m just gonna go find another thread where people aren’t dicks and are cool and think I’m cool and get me and we post E-Baums pics and don’t make fun of my being a whiny ass. 'Cause I’m cool and my ATA is cool and my dojo is like hard and shit.”
That, my oddly initialled friend is the a seed of contention which may be buried in the soft, loomy soil of Bullshido’s “Your Martial Arts Sucks” sub-forum in the form of a “Goodbye” thread.
Do it.
Man up, nancy-boy and get to posting.
Prove everyone wrong. Nobody here thinks you have the nuts to do it.
I do.
I know you are strong enough to do it.
Prove them wrong.
Post “Goodbye”
See your problem is that you don’t understand bullshido at all. I realized if I took a shot at your kid and your ability to parent it would piss you off. I’ve been doing this for awhile. I did it on purpose so you would lose your cool. And you did.
How to survive bullshido and still be an ATA member:
- Admit what ATA is. No more no less.
- Agree that there is more out there but not now.
- Stop putting up strawman arguements. (My non disclosure of my age or location has nothing to do with the ATA).
- Cruise a bit more and understand what this forum is all about.
We’re not a bunch of MMA nutriders and BJJ worshipers. MMA has it’s place. It’ a good testing ground.
If you did your research you would have found this:
- Alive training or it’s probably no practical.
- Everything earned never bought.
- You don’t have to be a fighter to train realistically.
ATA is a franchise and most who enter these franchises are completely disillusioned. We question everything here on bullshido. You want to tell us ATA is worth something especially your school? Prove it. The evidence is against.
Former ATA instructor from WY- I can’t believe what the ATA has become I’m not associated with them anymore.
Former ATA instructors (that’s plural), Souther CA - they were only in it for the money, we cared about the kids. We don’t pretend to teach them fighting. If they want that we brought in a BJJ instructor and some Kempo for self-defense.
2 Former ATA blackbelts that came into my school to learn - Yeah, I might as well start over, they were just a blackbelt factory. (Wierd they both said the same thing at different times).
1 female ATA blackbelt did light sparring against my female purple belts. It wasn’t pretty, the blackbelt never came back. We didn’t spar hard, it was a simple free exercise.
2 Kid blackbelts that were cousins of some of my students. Couldn’t remember their forms that they tested for 1 month prior.
Those same kids saw what their cousins did shortly after that and quit the ATA.
Bullshido Mega throwdown 2005 (I think): ATA guy (who was that guy he’s on here, really cool dude, I think it’s frank or something) get’s his head caved in by a retreating punch. Before this he go swept and taken down repeatedly. In his defense the guy did come at him with some awkward, unorthodox attacks.
These are my experiances with the ATA; and not just with one school. My experiences don’t come from this website. Then there’s the ITA…makes the ATA schools look like MMA central.
So, as it was said before, either grow a pair and get with the program or leave. Either way stop whining about this.
Now, your school could be
Omega
I read your post and I read your profile last night. First let me say that I don’t think it was necessary to attack my parenting ability. Enough said. In reading your profile I noted that you are far more experienced in the Martial Arts than I am. I also did some reseach and I do understand what type of forum and community Bullshido is. I will no longer try to defend the ATA. I know what it is and its pointless to argue with the people on this forum who have already made up their mind.
I have 2 questions for you.
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based on all of the styles you have taken and now teach, what style do you believe would be the best style for a 6 1/2 year old child and a 46 year old man take. Do you feel that the ATA schools teach nothing of value at all?
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My next question is there are at least 10 Karate schools within a 5 mile radius of where I live. This includes 1 Shotokan school, 1 kung fu school which teaches the Bruce Lee syle. 1 judo school which just opened and I mma place. The rest I believe are Taekwon Do schools which are not chains. If I would leave my school would any of these places be better and how would I know if they are McDojos or if they will go out of business. I have spoke to my neighbor who goes to one school and another friend which goes to another and they are all similar to mine school. I also read somewhere that most martial Arts have been centralized and the schools are pretty much the same. I am sure there are are exceptions to that rule. So in closing what do you recomend. I would also be interested in what you teach children in your school
Oh?
Really?
as you quote a man with “Kung Fu” in their style field.
KHF:
good post. much as you researched who Omega was and what his philosophies are, please elaborate for the best information:
what are your goals and the goals of your child?
have you visited each of the schools in question?
what do you like about your current school that you wish to maintain in a new school?
what do you dislike in your current school that you wish to avoid?
how do you know they aren’t McDojos? again, you can learn things of value at a McDojo, it’s just you will ultimately end up paying more in the long run. If the entire discussion with the school owner centers around money/programs/clubs/contract…odds are it is a McDojo. not necessarily bad, you just need to decide is you benefits greater then or equal to the dollars you will be putting in.
how do you know the school won’t close? you never will. It’s happened to many of us and it sucks. One was to avoid this is: if you think it is a good school, good instruction, good value…get your friends to join up.
as for your ATA questions: in my opinion it will be much like every other corporate-owned and controlled entity. By and large you can make assumptions about quality, however it will most likely ultimately be determined by individual management, however I don’t know specifically.
If you are happy at your school, stay. Nobody on this message board can keep you there or prevent you from leaving. If you aren’t happy there, make a list of what you are unhappy with as well as what you are happy with and take it with you when you visit the other schools. See if you can pay month to month to ensure a repeat of what made you happy in the first place and avoid what made you unhappy.
ATA is fine for that age but you’ll have to be ready to move on and explain the difference to your child when you believe they’re ready. When that time comes then come talk and find out where you would like to direct your child, probably 9 years old by my calculations.
I freely admit that my shot at your parenting skills was below the belt. It’s the way I do it here. Your the second father on this site that I’ve done that to. It’s kind of a slap in the face “wake up and listen for a second”. We, as parents find it hard not to do best by our children. I’m telling you ATA is what it is please don’t make it into something that it not. Call it shock therapy.
I have talks with my kids all the time “don’t look at the belt as a measure of a person’s ability” and I have to explain that to 6 year olds sometimes. I have to explain why I won’t allow kids under 16 to hold the title of a blackbelt. The parents end up appreciating it. ATA is what it is and you have to consign yourself to that. I get irritated when parents feed their kids a Mcdonald’s happy meal and tell them that’s healthy. It’s not. We as adults let a kids no this. They will listen. They only know what they like but we can’t feed them ice cream for every meal. It’s not healthy. ATA represents that analogy. It is what it is. Your son may find this out when he gets older and be highly disappointed and ashamed. That I wasn’t kidding about.
I can’t tell you how to bring up your child, nobody has a right to do that, but you’ve got to look at this realistically. You don’t want you kid to grow up to be a fighter? Makes sense to me. You care if he develops values? That’s fine but the overconfidence can land him in trouble in the future especially near the age of 12 where it really starts to count (Did I tell you I majored in psychology?)
Peace…I’m over this Kerry.
Thanks for your input Omega and peace to you too. I will take what you say to heart. I just want my son to be able to defend himself if he is in a fight. If he is not learning what he needs to know in this school then I will find another place for him to go.
If my wife and I decide to move him in a few years I will ask you your opinion again.
Thanks again for your assistance.
[quote=aardvarks]as you quote a man with “Kung Fu” in their style field.
KHF:
good post. much as you researched who Omega was and what his philosophies are, please elaborate for the best information:
what are your goals and the goals of your child?
My goals are for my son to learn the martial arts so he can defend himself. For me it was to get in shape and to continue my martial atrs training which I gave up 30 years ago because the school I attended went out of business
have you visited each of the schools in question?
I haven’t visited any of these schools because I am happy where I am now.
what do you like about your current school that you wish to maintain in a new school?
I like the lessions they teach the kids, weapons,sparing, etc
what do you dislike in your current school that you wish to avoid? I am in agreement with Omega in that I I don’t feel that young kids should earn blackbelts
Right now we are happy where we were. Based on some reseach I have done and on the postings I have read I would like my son to learn some grappling, wrestling, and more self defense than he is learning now. Maybe an MMA type of school would be good in the future
I have to say, I hate crappy TKD for all it’s worth because I learned crappy TKD as a child, and it’s a complete waste. I feel ashamed of what I have done, and more ashamed of what I can’t do. Fighting is not something that it taught me, and fighting is what I want, but I was hook, line, and sucker for it being a good defense system. The habits I’ve learned that will help me? That only consists of keeping my hands up. The rest of what I learned consists of some crappy kicks that needed some major tweaking and reworking to focus any power, and a few forms with completely unrealistic techniques.
Much of my time was wasted, and it may have been easy for me to go up in rank, since I put forth a lot of effort, but skill was completely bastardized for the purpose of making more black belts.
Learn that your kid may hate the decisions you make in a school, if what he really wants to do is learn to fight.
My opinion. You shouldn’t be ashamed of anything you accomplished or tried to accomplish. You can always study another style in which you will hopefully accomplish what you are searching for.
Go Noles!
I understand it can be hard to leave something you’re used to. I spend a small fortune (by a twentysomething persons standards) in getting my blackbelt in Kuk Sool Won. Then I went and sparred with some people from here and found out my KSW bb wasn’t worth the cost of the fabric it was made with. That’s why I train MMA now. That being said, an mma gym isn’t necessarily what you want for your kid. Check out the MMA gyms kids programs to see. I would say at the kids age, it would be best to get them into grappling first, as it’s the harder part of fighting/self-defense to learn. You mentioned a Judo school. That would be a great place for them to start. Another great idea is to see if there are local wrestling clubs for kids. Wrestling is a fantastic platform upon which to build. Those are just my thoughts anyway.
Thanks for your thoughts. We are staying put for now, but wrestling and maybe Judo is in my sons future. I wrestled a little in high school and I think it would be good for my son
Judo is fantastic for kids and theres normally a very good structure in place in judo for teaching kids. I started training in judo when I was 7 and it was great fun, I had to quit 4 years later annoyingly. But the things I learnt then I am still using today, my only regret is that we were taught very few submissions due to not being allowed them in competitions at that age.
I think the main advantages of things like wrestling and judo in young children is that it teaches them about resistance and live training. The strong competitive nature works as a great tool as well.
The only injury I can remember incuring from judo was when being subjugated to a stomach throw and getting footed in the balls. And maybe getting winded a few times. So its a really safe atmosphere as well.
we need to try Judo. I sounds like fun
Where ever you take your kid, make sure to stick around and see how they train. There are some sadistic instructors out there and that will ruin a good kids attitude. Expect them to push a little but make sure they don’t abuse.