Also I don’t know exactly what the deal is with his eyejab fetish, I have never been attacked with an eyejab, but I suppose since it looks super fast I would try to parry it, not stick my arm out to block it so he can wing chun me. (yes that is what he says, about the chun entry position, you draw it by eye jabbing… waitwat?)
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I’m still looking for the Machida Gif, but I’ve seen it.
I should note that the way Fedor and Machida trap, it’s a blink and you’ll miss it situation. And they don’t do it a lot, or rely on it as the basis of their strategy.
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Ooooooh. He’s doing it like Mayweather does. I think it’s called a “paligbut” in filipino systems.
I’ll tell you what I know from my past experience with this stuff.
When I trained in Jun Fan/JKD and later in the PFS stuff the eye jab was trained a lot as a way to stop someone dead in their tracks. That’s probably why he focuses on it.
With regards to trapping, the theory is that by whipping that out at someone’s face you draw a response; i.e. they put their hands up to defend, and then you have your connection to enter and do your traps.
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[quote=jeff5;2154615]I’ll tell you what I know from my past experience with this stuff.
When I trained in Jun Fan/JKD and later in the PFS stuff the eye jab was trained a lot as a way to stop someone dead in their tracks. That’s probably why he focuses on it.
With regards to trapping, the theory is that by whipping that out at someone’s face you draw a response; i.e. they put their hands up to defend, and then you have your connection to enter and do your traps.[/quote]
but why would they stick out their arm like that when they can just parry or cover? and if it works on parries/covers, why do an eyejab at all? and I thought an eyejab was supposed to be swift and fast so why would it suddenly freeze and the other guy also freeze in the chun position?
strange ideas imho
Agreed.
Keep in mind that when a lot of this stuff was developed by Lee back in the 60s it was developed to counter hard style, Karate type blocks where you could draw a connection like that. That’s why there’s a whole low line connection series in Jun Fan where you attack low (with say a punch), and your opponent blocks it with a low line karate type block, then you have your connection and can come in and trap.
No one fights like that now, and you can make an arguement they never should have fought like that in the first place! =P. But Lee was reacting to the prevelant martial arts styles at the time and trying to develop ways to use his WC to beat them.
[quote=jeff5;2154623]Agreed.
Keep in mind that when a lot of this stuff was developed by Lee back in the 60s it was developed to counter hard style, Karate type blocks where you could draw a connection like that. That’s why there’s a whole low line connection series in Jun Fan where you attack low (with say a punch), and your opponent blocks it with a low line karate type block, then you have your connection and can come in and trap.
No one fights like that now, and you can make an arguement they never should have fought like that in the first place! =P. But Lee was reacting to the prevelant martial arts styles at the time and trying to develop ways to use his WC to beat them.[/quote]
This was certainly interesting. So to teach it in contemporary JKD is the most extreme anti-ABSORBWHATISUSEFULREJECTWHATISUSELESS stuff. Funny how that works
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I should note that the way Fedor and Machida trap, it’s a blink and you’ll miss it situation. And they don’t do it a lot, or rely on it as the basis of their strategy.[/quote]
What’s interesting is that’s what Lee’s stuff turned into as well. As time went on he abandoned a lot of the intricate trapping in favor of fast one time traps, and mainly focused on timing, distance, intercepting, and live sparring.
[quote=jeff5;2154615]I’ll tell you what I know from my past experience with this stuff.
When I trained in Jun Fan/JKD and later in the PFS stuff the eye jab was trained a lot as a way to stop someone dead in their tracks. That’s probably why he focuses on it.
With regards to trapping, the theory is that by whipping that out at someone’s face you draw a response; i.e. they put their hands up to defend, and then you have your connection to enter and do your traps.[/quote]
That’s an interesting strategy. It reminds me of what I learned in Judo, which is to attack with one throw, then use another when uke defends.
Seems like if someone wanted to try that in a sparring situation they could replace the eye jab with a regular jab.
That’s probably the crucial difference that makes it work .
BTW, I found the machida Gif.
Lol exactly!
I just can’t get over the fact Paul Vunak says 90% of what martial arts teach are irrelevant to STR33T FIGHTING and thinks the fastest way to make a fighter out of somebody is to cut the BS and get straight to TRAPPING
mind = blown
we do kinda the same thing sometimes but we slide to the outside a little, and check there lead hand to the inside, so the rear hand cant hit you as easily, since your checking with your lead your vulnerable to his power side. If you check to the outside and stay in the pocket, i think its easier to get countered.
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There’s a whole repertoire of shit you’re not “allowed” to do in boxing, but that they somehow miraculously know how to do anyway (just in case someone tries it on them you understand…)
Believe it or not, a boxing coach will even show you how to fight in a clinch if you ask nicely. You’re not going to be out plum-ing (is that a word?) a thai boxer by any means, but it can be pretty effective stuff.
[quote=Handsome_Hansel;2154638]I just can’t get over the fact Paul Vunak says 90% of what martial arts teach are irrelevant to STR33T FIGHTING and thinks the fastest way to make a fighter out of somebody is to cut the BS and get straight to TRAPPING
mind = blown[/quote]
This is the end result of a lack of realistic training.
[quote=Lu Tze;2154641]That’s just dirty boxing.
There’s a whole repertoire of shit you’re not “allowed” to do in boxing, but that they somehow miraculously know how to do anyway (just in case someone tries it on them you understand…)
Believe it or not, a boxing coach will even show you how to fight in a clinch if you ask nicely. You’re not going to be out plum-ing (is that a word?) a thai boxer by any means, but it can be pretty effective stuff.[/quote]
what exactly is dirty about it? looks like he just did some sort of downward parry (for lack of better description)
just saw the machida gif…yup thats it right there…we may slide out a bit more but thats the inside check. Machida and Evans are lined up right foot to left, and i described it thinking left to left or right to right.
My major beef with this JKD/PFS/RAT whole line of reasoning is that it is based on an falacious assumption of inflexibility in the opponent. You can not simply say “I do this, and this causes my opponent to react like this…”. The sequences are far too long to have any valid application to actual fighting. This is why boxers don’t use 8-punch combinations. It would be nice you could just say "My uppercut pops head up from behind his guard. Cross to the face. Left hook causes him to weave under into right uppercut KO, but reality intrudes.
Why does he make those feminin sounds, shrugs and hand motions while explaining? Makes me rage