http://www.thearma.org/Manuals/master-ott-wrestling.html
Found this on ARMA.
A WMA manual with groundfighting!
Interestingly, it includes theory but not technique. Tell me it isn’t the whole thing.
A number of historical German combat treatises include quite extensive instruction on groundfighting techniques, but they tend to be either written but not illustrated, or appended as a codicil to a technique that is illustrated (e.g., the written instruction for a stnding technique will say something like “by making this adjustment, you can also do this on the ground.”) Many of these are demonstrated in Christian Tobler’s excellent book on Ringeck’s combat techniques, “Secrets of German Medieval Swordsmanship” - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1891448072/102-3886336-1836943?v=glance&n=283155
There’s at least one treatise that includes several detailed illustrations of elaborate unterhalten (“holding down”) techniques in which one fighter restrains one, two and even three opponents - frankly, the latter looks more like a theatrical show-off move than anything that could realistically be accomplished - but unfortunately I can’t remember where it’s reproduced online. I suggest searching through the image libraries at ARMA and AEMMA.
There are bits and peices of ground fighting techniques here and there. Not very much actually illustrated though.
I think you’re referring to the Codex Wallerstein.
Looking at some of the Wrestling ilustrations in the Codex, the techniques look very similar to freestyle wrestling.
http://www.thearma.org/Manuals/43.jpg : looks like the two on one.
http://www.thearma.org/Manuals/41.jpg : after grabbing a leg and going in for a high croth you make sure the guy can’t move as you set up by trapping the leg as in that picture.
http://www.thearma.org/Manuals/39.jpg : a way to finish a single leg.
Anyways, alot of them seem very similar to freestyle wrestling, which makes alot of sense.
I think it’s cute when I go to my MMA gym and they show a takedown I already know because I learned it from ringen and I can tell my girlfriend “this is in my german wrestling stuff, too”
Or when I learn something in class that I find sometime later in one of the historical manuals.
The best though, is when I successfully execute a technique from ringen that I havent learned anywhere else and my girlfriend says “That looks like something from one of your books, because it’s kind of funky, but it works”
I slammed someone pretty good the other day with this one:
and she made the comment about how it looked like something from one of my books, and I could happily tell her that it was.
That looks similar to this judo throw.
http://judoinfo.com/video/gokyo/SukuiNage.wmv
http://www.thearma.org/Manuals/90.jpg I didn’t see this one before but I think it’s the best.
I would be interested in seeing more manuals with grappling techniques (not just disamring ones) if anyone could link me up.
I’m a big fan of that, you can put muh-fuckas down hard with it.
I also like this kneebar attack.
I would be interested in seeing more manuals with grappling techniques (not just disamring ones) if anyone could link me up.
http://www.varmouries.com/wildrose/fiore/section1.html
http://ejmas.com/jwma/articles/2000/jwmaart_steenput_1000.html
Scroll down for one of my favorites. Pictures from the Modern Army Combatives manual right next to illustrations of the same techniques from Paulus hector mairs fight book.
I LOVE that takedown (I thought I’d made it up - never seen it elsewhere!)!!!
Do you have a name for it?
Now if you sweep out your back leg, and drop with your buddy, having your elbow in their groin when you land(place your outside elbow on their groin), you get a nice cheap shot while you’re at it.
Place upper thigh between your legs, sit down on leg as you pull up at ankle, faster takedown, and your lil buddy stays in place.
I would love to get into some traditional German MA, get back in touch with my heritage, etc. AnnaT, any hopes of getting you to teach me a few things at the MMTD?
I do mostly armed work, though I am getting into ringen quite a bit as of late. But sure, i’d have no problems demonstrating what I know.
Unfortunettly I dont really have a name for it outside of “Durer’s technique 80”
Most wrestling and dagger techniques dont really have names, just descriptions and sometimes a number or something.
There might be a name for it in the descriptive text next to the image, unfortunettly it’s handwritten middle high german, and I can’t read it.
I looked at all of them, the first one I reconized from the flower of battle, I never really liked those ones cause they don’t look all too effective. The second looked like a complete sytsem of wrestling…Looked very cool. The third one was pretty informative, do you know if their style is based of those picutres or something else?
I’ve had some luck using some stuff from the first one (Fiore’s “Flower of battles”), I was looking at it yesterday and I think I am starting to see some good applications in the clinch for a lot of stuff i thought was questionable before. I am hoping to do some clinch sparring in the near future and try some of the stuff out. Most of the techniques in Fiore appear in many other sources aswell so I have a hard time imagining them to be useless being that they’re so common across a long streatch of time and differant masters from differant cultures.
But I try to remain objective and realistic and until I get the chance to use them in sparring against a resisting opponent at the gym I can’t personally vouch for them. I do howver have good feelings that I’ll be able to bust out some Fiore next time I am in the clinch as I was looking at the techniques very studiously yesterday trying to find a place to fit them.
I think part of it is I don’t really get much chance to heavily drill a lot of the unarmed techniques so I’ll look at them and go “oh, thats cool” and i file it away in my brain, but most of it is not instinctual enough to execute smoothly under pressure as of yet, so it’s really only every now and then that I think to try and pull it off, sometimes it’s a hit and sometimes it’s a miss.
The third one is cool because the photographed techniques are from the Modern Army Combatives manual and are taught to the US army.
They are not based off the illustrated techniques directly, but the resembleance is very clear.
http://photobucket.com/albums/b260/annatrocity/Durer/
120 Images of ringen techniques. Some of them I have used successfully, some of them I can see the utility in, some of them just confuse the hell out of me. Enjoy.
The Codex Wallerstein has recently been translated into modern German and English, including full descriptions of the unarmed combat techniques (which actually comprise most of the book’s content) - it’s available from Aamazon.com at http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1581603398/102-3886336-1836943?v=glance&n=283155
That comparative page kicks arse. Well done.
Yeah oh look someone’s pulling my leg.