Maybe you have aids? 
Why spend that much money on things that human bodies are not designed to consume in first place? I personally think that you should eat a lot of not human engineered foods and I mean a LOT and that way you are going to make muscles without drinking a whole chemistry lab. Plus I have seen my dadās friend who used to take those artificial proteins and stuff and now he is old and he needs a bra for his muscles (so floppy blah!). This is just my opinion but IF you do not wish to be sick and you are not ready to sacrifice your health when you are old and die young then I seriously think you should stop.
So waitā¦youāre saying that drinking protein drinks makes you old?
yep rw4th has a point thereā¦ and no synthetic proteins do not make you old but rather make u put on a bra when you are old look at this itās lovely ----> http://a6.vox.com/6a00e398b56c39000100e398f26e760005-500pi
So youāre saying that if someone doesnāt take protein powders, their skin wonāt age?
I agree that you should get as much nutrition (proteins, carbs, etc) as possible from whole foods, but I dont see anything wrong with supplementing with whey protein powders to top yourself off to a specific intake goal.
Iām not aware of any evidence that supplementing with protein causes sagging skin or breasts. If someone knows of a real study, please share.
Iām not aware of any protein supplement marketed to atheletes that is synthetic. The ones I am familiar with are derived from whey, soy, eggs, etc.
The only counter protein supplementation arguments that have gotten a bit of my attention lately are the claims that too much protein could be damaging to the liver and/or kidneys. Because of this, I try to be careful to not blow past a target on any given day. I also supplement Milk Thistle just in case. Is the Milk Thistle necessary? I donāt know but I dont think it can hurt. I also try to be careful to drink a lot of water.
Shinkengata: I like Gold Standard also. Regarding the Creatine Monohydrate, you do know that cycling is considered a must for the stuff, right?
Are you telling me you believe all the things they say on the packaging? I am sorry but you can also buy these things that you can stick on your foot then when you wake up they are black and what they say about them is that if you do it for a week or so you are going to loose a lot of weight. So would you believe what it says on the packaging of those things??? And also do you see any muscle left in those gorgeous titties??? I mean come on my grandfather is fat and his are not that bad.
Off topic, but does this crap actually work?
almost never. most packaging labels are misleading at best and outright lies at worst. Most are even comical āripped to shreds overnight, 5 lbs of muscle per day, blah blah blahā
ideally you should educate yourself then go straight to the ingredient list ignoring the hyped label claims.
Im not defending the specific product the OP posted about ā¦ I dont even know whats in the stuff. I was just responding to posts about protein in general.
I dont think anyone suggests that protein ISNT needed for muscle growth and development. The exact amount needed for specific goals may be controversial. Whatever your target is, IMO, there is nothing wrong with supplementing (within reason) with whey protein to reach your target if your having difficulty getting it through whole foods.
As far as protein causing sagging skin and breasts ā¦ this is the first Ive heard that argument ā¦ Ill have to remain humbly skeptical till I see evidence otherwise.
I was not saying that protein is not needed for the growth of muscles and that it is bad if you overdose it either. What i was saying is you should be getting it naturally through meal everything that is usually packed in boxes and is like little powder on which it says food supplement or such has gone through the lab. And do not come at me but look there are people making sure that it is all safe! My mother works in the chemical agency in Helsinki ECHA and has said a few nights that there have been thousands of chemicals tested and 3 times as much that have not been. Plus do you remember the mad cow disease epidemic? That was caused by prions(mis folded proteins). The cows were fed food supplements that make them grow bigger faster and larger as well. So they became sickā¦ Plus this is done to some other foods as well usually chickens and this is why I am allergic to chickens and have gone into the hospital for it. As far as The sagging of the skin have you looked at the link that i have posted in 1 of my previous replies to this thread? The proteins might not contribute but what happens when all the muscle goes away ? And the skin covering it?
Aikido rots your brain. On to the topic.
I supplement because Iām a hardgainer in the true sense of the word. It has taken an IMMENSE amount of work and dedication to go from 120lbs to 142 in a year. Iāve sacrificed other hobbies and even family time to gain weight and improve. Iāve gone from a one rep max of 135 to a 2 rep max of 225 on bench press in that year, Deadlift max of 310, and My overall endurance is at an all time high. I just have to suffer some to gain this weight, because eating like a horse and lifting doesnāt bode well for high energy levels, at least for me. Iām tired and sore all the time. Once I reach my ideal weight, Iāll go back to super-healthy foods and plenty of HIT workouts.
HAHA you are a funny person Shinkengata. First you talk about things that proteins do to you in the short term and we were talking about the long term effects. This is great that you can do this many reps just like Arnold Sczwarzeneger that is good. You are also very fit, endurable but have you ever seen āSuper size me!ā? It was about that person that gained fat really quickly and he got really sick (which is a bit different than if you gain it slowerā¦ your liver does not tend to fail) but what I will say to you is any type of sudden change for the body outside what it is supposed to happen if you eat natural food is bad. And the person from āsuper size meā if you remember felt very relieved at one point when he was eating(this is a short term reaction of the body) but then he got sick( slightly longer term reaction) what i am trying to say is that those things could happen to you when you are old and they are preventable. And even if you go back to natural diet after you have built up muscles and have gotten enough toxins in you body you might not be able to heal it not everything is treatable yet. You cannot reverse the fact you have mad cow diseaseā¦
And very funny of you to say aikido rots your brain. First you have never trained aikido to know what it is like. I am not saying it is a good martial art I am saying you have never done it to know what it actually is. In aikido the techniques you learn are unuseful but you get an idea of how to use your bodyās center of gravity and the way the body is built. The reason The martial art is not effective is because your body is not fast enough including your brain to think in real life how to move the arm and dodge for example you cannot dodge a punch completely if you have not predicted it before where the other person is going to hit you(which you can in some drunken bar situations where the other person comes swinging mindlessly at you), which is extremely hard if you are fighting some one who is a martial artist because they use combinations of punches and distraction e.g. look at one of cro copās fights in the UFC. He got totalled!. And you train boxing that requires hmmm getting hit in the head I guess that makes your brain hit against the walls of your head and therefore it gets damaged and brain cells die that I guess makes YOU smarter. You have narrowed your vision to what is aikido only to this website that is like living and getting your information about life only from tv adverts you will believe them mindlessly so open your mind and try aikido before you say things about it. Because after loads of years in martial arts you should be able to realize that you can aways improve and you never know a technique perfectly especially in aikido where even smaller details are important.
fuck i almost wrote a bookā¦
Chill out, Iām fucking with you. Train in whatever you want. ITās just goddamn hot where i live to be wearing a hakama, so I do MMA. 
pfft if you have not noticed I am doing kickboxing as well. Plus I have no problem u saying aikido is crap but you were saying it rots your brain so I would love to argue it out about it. And as a matter of fact aikido is my main martial art because I trained it for 4 years not because I am training it now and wtf does MT stand for??? Master Trooper???
Billy Blanks does kickboxing too.
MT stands for Moose Titties.
Metodi, I am now asking for you to provide proof that whey protein, an isolate of milk, will cause gynecomastia.
Culled from Possible immune deficiency due to Aspartame? - No BS Martial Arts
You personally think??? This is your personal opinion??? Since when in the bloody fucking history of humankind having a opinion meant that is the correct one, you dumb-o-fuckified retard???
The Church had the opinion that the Sun orbited around the fucking Earth, and screw Galileo in the process.
Timothy McVeigh had the opinion that the Oklahoma Bombing was a jolly good idea.
So here we are, with you and you opinion. Dude, you opinion is pretty fucking retarded.
We donāt care about your opinions. We care about facts that can be corroborated, or at least educated opinions from where one can elaborate or support claims. You have offered nothing other than retarded, urban myth crap.
Gynecomastia can actually occur, naturally, with age. It is fucking stupid to conclude that protein causes Gynecomastia because Ahnold has them when heās fucking 60-something.
Many cases of gyno are idiopathic, that they have no clear cause, and which occur to people that are not lifting or using anabolic steroids.
Also, we donāt fucking care hearing the annecdotal tales you are pulling out of your ass regarding your dadās friend (or someone youāve heard about about from someone known by someone you know.) If you are so inclined in producing works of fiction, you may as well work with George Lucas and write down a 3rd saga of Star Wars.
Now, you have 24 hours from the time of this post to prove with verifiable, reputable medical work that protein intake produces gynecomastia. If you cannot come with that, the next time you attempt to post retarded crap like that in the PT forums, and Iāll ask you get banned from it and have all your posts yanked from there.
Thank Kord for El Machoās moderation ability.
bitch titties
Well ok I am asking out of curiosity. And I am not saying that the proteins make bitch titties grow but I am rather saying that the skin that was covering your titties for a few years might stay stretched. And arnold does not have bitch tits but the skin over them is quite loose which I find disturbing. I would train the younger people in both strength and martial arts this is why any sort of advice would be accepted about training them. So please tell me about both this is widening the amount of information you can give me so it should be easier. And you can give me information about both boxing and judo. I do have a list with all the exercises you can do with the dumbbells but the amount of reps I do compared to the ones described on the list are giant It says I have to do 10 reps a day from that type with 10kgā¦ well i do 70 in 1 go twice a day. BTW look at the difference between what arnold has-
http://a6.vox.com/6a00e398b56c39000100e398f26e760005-500pi THIS
and bitch tits
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gynecomastia THIS
by the way if I have mixed up big gynecomastia titties with loose titties that is my mistake i am sorry I made it punish me.
That is no proof. What sort of Stupidity Demon possessed you to think the picture of a 60-year old Arnold is proof???
Since you are now claiming that protein supplements cause loose titties, then provide proof. And by proof I mean link to medical journals and research that suggest or conclude that protein supplements causes them.
You have up until 3:43AM Helsinki time. If you cannot provide proof, then retract the statement.
Allright I retract all the stupid statements and I admit I am a dumb ass and punish me but can I still just be able to read things off this site because itās still awesome. And I love the martial arts database.